lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  linux-cve-announce  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Message-ID: <1AC8E96A-6046-450A-94AB-BC1A61F77A86@oracle.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 21:01:03 +0000
From: Prakash Sangappa <prakash.sangappa@...cle.com>
To: Prakash Sangappa <prakash.sangappa@...cle.com>
CC: "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "peterz@...radead.org" <peterz@...radead.org>,
        "rostedt@...dmis.org"
	<rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        "mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com"
	<mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>,
        "tglx@...utronix.de" <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "bigeasy@...utronix.de" <bigeasy@...utronix.de>,
        "kprateek.nayak@....com"
	<kprateek.nayak@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 0/6] Scheduler time slice extension



> On May 13, 2025, at 2:45 PM, Prakash Sangappa <prakash.sangappa@...cle.com> wrote:
> 
> A user thread can get preempted in the middle of executing a critical
> section in user space while holding locks, which can have undesirable affect
> on performance. Having a way for the thread to request additional execution
> time on cpu, so that it can complete the critical section will be useful in
> such scenario. The request can be made by setting a bit in mapped memory,
> such that the kernel can also access to check and grant extra execution time
> on the cpu. 
> 
> There have been couple of proposals[1][2] for such a feature, which attempt
> to address the above scenario by granting one extra tick of execution time.
> In patch thread [1] posted by Steven Rostedt, there is ample discussion about
> need for this feature.
> 
> However, the concern has been that this can lead to abuse. One extra tick can
> be a long time(about a millisec or more). Peter Zijlstra in response posted a 
> prototype solution[5], which grants 50us execution time extension only.
> This is achieved with the help of a timer started on that cpu at the time of
> granting extra execution time. When the timer fires the thread will be
> preempted, if still running. 
> 
> This patchset implements above solution as suggested, with use of restartable
> sequences(rseq) structure for API. Refer [3][4] for further discussions.
> 
> v1: 
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250215005414.224409-1-prakash.sangappa@oracle.com/
> 
> v2:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250418193410.2010058-1-prakash.sangappa@oracle.com/
> - Based on discussions in [3], expecting user application to call sched_yield()
>  to yield the cpu at the end of the critical section may not be advisable as
>  pointed out by Linus.  
> 
>  So added a check in return path from a system call to reschedule if time
>  slice extension was granted to the thread. The check could as well be in
>  syscall enter path from user mode.
>  This would allow application thread to call any system call to yield the cpu. 
>  Which system call should be suggested? getppid(2) works.
> 
>  Do we still need the change in sched_yield() to reschedule when the thread
>  has current->rseq_sched_delay set?
> 
> - Added patch to introduce a sysctl tunable parameter to specify duration of
>  the time slice extension in micro seconds(us), called 'sched_preempt_delay_us'.
>  Can take a value in the range 0 to 100. Default is set to 50us.
>  Setting this tunable to 0 disables the scheduler time slice extension feature.
> 
> v3:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250502015955.3146733-1-prakash.sangappa@oracle.com
> - Addressing review comments by Sebastian and Prateek.
>  * Rename rseq_sched_delay -> sched_time_delay. Move its place in
>    struct task_struct near other bits so it fits in existing word.
>  * Use IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_RSEQ) instead of #ifdef to access
>    'sched_time_delay'.
>  * removed rseq_delay_resched_tick() call from hrtick_clear().
>  * Introduced a patch to add a tracepoint in exit_to_user_mode_loop(),
>    suggested by Sebastian.
>  * Added comments to describe RSEQ_CS_FLAG_DELAY_RESCHED flag.
> 
> v4:
> - Changed default sched delay extension time to 30us
> - Added patch to indicate to userspace if the thread got preempted in
>  the extended cpu time granted. Uses another bit in rseq cs flags for it.
>  This should help the application to check and avoid having to call a
>  system call to yield cpu, especially sched_yield() as pointed out
>  by Steven Rostedt.
> - Moved tracepoint call towards end of exit_to_user_mode_loop().
> - Added a pr_warn() message when the 'sched_preempt_delay_us' tunable is
>  set higher then the default value of 30us.
> - Patch to add an API to query if sched time extension feature is supported. 
>  A new flag to sys_rseq flags argument called 'RSEQ_FLAG_QUERY_CS_FLAGS',
>  is added, as suggested by Mathieu Desnoyers. 
>  Returns bitmask of all the supported rseq cs flags, in rseq->flags field.
> 

I had missed the references in the cover letter. Including here

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231025054219.1acaa3dd@gandalf.local.home/
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1395767870-28053-1-git-send-email-khalid.aziz@oracle.com/
[3] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250131225837.972218232@goodmis.org/
[4] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20241113000126.967713-1-prakash.sangappa@oracle.com/
[5] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231030132949.GA38123@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net/
[6] https://lore.kernel.org/all/1631147036-13597-1-git-send-email-prakash.sangappa@oracle.com/


> Prakash Sangappa (6):
>  Sched: Scheduler time slice extension
>  Sched: Indicate if thread got rescheduled
>  Sched: Tunable to specify duration of time slice extension
>  Sched: Add scheduler stat for cpu time slice extension
>  Sched: Add tracepoint for sched time slice extension
>  Add API to query supported rseq cs flags
> 
> include/linux/entry-common.h | 11 ++--
> include/linux/sched.h        | 23 +++++++++
> include/trace/events/sched.h | 28 +++++++++++
> include/uapi/linux/rseq.h    | 19 +++++++
> kernel/entry/common.c        | 27 ++++++++--
> kernel/rseq.c                | 97 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> kernel/sched/core.c          | 50 +++++++++++++++++++
> kernel/sched/debug.c         |  1 +
> kernel/sched/syscalls.c      |  5 ++
> 9 files changed, 253 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
> 
> -- 
> 2.43.5
> 
> 

Powered by blists - more mailing lists

Powered by Openwall GNU/*/Linux Powered by OpenVZ