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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 10:25:14 -0700
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd
On Tue, Jul 08, 2025, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> > > I don't think we need a flag to preserve memory as I mentioned in [2]. IIUC,
> > > 1) Conversions are always content-preserving for pKVM.
> >
> > No? Perserving contents on private => shared is a security vulnerability waiting
> > to happen.
>
> Actually it is one of the requirements for pKVM as well as its current
> behavior. We would like to preserve contents both ways, private <=>
> shared, since it is required by some of the potential use cases (e.g.,
> guest handling video encoding/decoding).
>
> To make it clear, I'm talking about explicit sharing from the guest,
> not relinquishing memory back to the host. In the case of
> relinquishing (and guest teardown), relinquished memory is poisoned
> (zeroed) in pKVM.
I forget, what's the "explicit sharing" flow look like? E.g. how/when does pKVM
know it's ok to convert memory from private to shared? I think we'd still want
to make data preservation optional, e.g. to avoid potential leakage with setups
where memory is private by default, but a flag in KVM's uAPI might not be a good
fit since whether or not to preserve data is more of a guest decision (or at least
needs to be ok'd by the guest).
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