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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 13:53:31 +0000
From: "Kaplan, David" <David.Kaplan@....com>
To: Aaron Rainbolt <arraybolt3@...il.com>
CC: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
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Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH 00/56] Dynamic mitigations

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Rainbolt <arraybolt3@...il.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2025 11:11 PM
> To: Kaplan, David <David.Kaplan@....com>
> Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>; Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>; Peter
> Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>; Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...nel.org>; Pawan
> Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@...ux.intel.com>; Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>;
> Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>; x86@...nel.org; H . Peter Anvin
> <hpa@...or.com>; Alexander Graf <graf@...zon.com>; Boris Ostrovsky
> <boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com>; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/56] Dynamic mitigations
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 09:33:48 -0500
> David Kaplan <david.kaplan@....com> wrote:
>
> > Dynamic mitigations enables changing the kernel CPU security
> > mitigations at runtime without a reboot/kexec.
> >
> > Previously, mitigation choices had to be made on the kernel cmdline.
> > With this feature an administrator can select new mitigation choices
> > by writing a sysfs file, after which the kernel will re-patch itself
> > based on the new mitigations.
> >
> > As the performance cost of CPU mitigations can be significant,
> > selecting the right set of mitigations is important to achieve the
> > correct balance of performance/security.
> >
> > Use
> > ---
> > As described in the supplied documentation file, new mitigations are
> > selected by writing cmdline options to a new sysfs file.  Only cmdline
> > options related to mitigations are recognized via this interface.  All
> > previous mitigation-related cmdline options are ignored and
> > selections are done based on the new options.
> >
> > Examples:
> >    echo "mitigations=off" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/mitigations
> >    echo "spectre_v2=retpoline tsa=off" >
> > /sys/devices/system/cpu/mitigations
>
> If `root` is capable of setting `mitigations=off` via this interface,
> doesn't that somewhat defeat the purpose of denying `/proc/kcore`
> access in lockdown confidentiality mode? Assuming one is running on a
> CPU with some form of side-channel memory read vulnerability (which they
> very likely are), they can turn off all mitigations, then read kernel
> memory via one of those exploits.
>
> There should be a one-way switch to allow denying all further writes to
> this interface, so that once the system's mitigations are set properly,
> any further attempts to change them until the next reboot can be
> prevented.
>

That's a good idea, there could be a separate mitigation_lock file perhaps that once written to 1 denies any further changes.

Thanks --David Kaplan


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