lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  linux-cve-announce  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Message-Id: <200701041002.59906@strip-the-willow>
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:02:59 +0000
From:	Gerrit Renker <gerrit@....abdn.ac.uk>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Cc:	Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>, netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: removing gotos considered harmful...

|  > previous code had the form (this is copied from 2.6.17-mm1 original):
|  > 
|  > 			size = 0;
|  > 			sk_for_each(sk2, node, list)
|  > 				if (++size >= best_size_so_far)
|  > 					goto next;
|  > 			best_size_so_far = size;
|  > 			best = result;
|  > 		next:;
|  > 
|  > |  and this got converted into:
|  > |  
|  > |  			sk_for_each(sk2, node, head)
|  > |  				if (++size < best_size_so_far) {
|  > |  					best_size_so_far = size;
|  > |  					best = result;
|  > |  				}
|  > |  
|  > |  Which does something very very different from the original.
|  >
|  > ===> Sorry, I fail to see where the two differ. They have the same postcondition
|  >      upon loop exit; sk2, node, size, and head are not referenced anywhere in the 
|  >      code that follows.
|  >      
|  
|  Please go buy a pair of glasses then :-)
|  
|  They are not at all the same.  Consider in what circumstances the two
|  variables "best_size_so_far" and "best" get updated in the two cases,
|  it's massively different.
|  
|  You _ALWAYS_ update those two variables in your version if the loop
|  executes at least once, that's wrong and that's not what the original
|  code was trying to do.
|  
|  It ONLY wants to update those two variables when we walk
|  a complete hash chain which is smaller than "best_size_so_far".
|  
|  The fact that you continue to try and defend your version shows
|  that you really had no idea what you were doing when you made this
|  change.
|  
|  You added an exploitable hole to our UDP protocol implementation
|  because you didn't understand this snippet of code and wanted to
|  'clean up the logic'.
|  
|  
You are right, I made a stupid error by considering a single construct out of context.

I only understood fully what you were saying above after doing a lengthy paper-and-pencil
analysis of the entire algorithm: the exploit is in the assignment of `best', I was arguing
about `best_size_so_far', which is of no consequence here. 

I apologise for the regression that this caused - in future submissions I make sure that I
do the paper and pencil analysis before. Thanks for patience with the explanation. 
-
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

Powered by blists - more mailing lists

Powered by Openwall GNU/*/Linux Powered by OpenVZ