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Date:	Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:59:08 +0200
From:	Segher Boessenkool <>
To:	Chris Snook <>
Cc:,,,,, David Miller <>,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures

> At some point in the future, barrier() will be universally regarded as 
> a hammer too big for most purposes.  Whether or not removing it now

You can't just remove it, it is needed in some places; you want to
replace it in most places with a more fine-grained "compiler barrier",
I presume?

> constitutes premature optimization is arguable, but I think we should 
> allow such optimization to happen (or not happen) in 
> architecture-dependent code, and provide a consistent API that doesn't 
> require the use of such things in arch-independent code where it might 
> turn into a totally superfluous performance killer depending on what 
> hardware it gets compiled for.

Explicit barrier()s won't be too hard to replace -- but what to do
about the implicit barrier()s in rmb() etc. etc. -- *those* will be
hard to get rid of, if only because it is hard enough to teach driver
authors about how to use those primitives *already*.  It is far from
clear what a good interface like that would look like, anyway.

Probably we should first start experimenting with a forget()-style
micro-barrier (but please, find a better name), and see if a nice
usage pattern shows up that can be turned into an API.


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