netdev - Re: [PATCH] LRO ack aggregation

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Message-ID: <47433972.10903@hp.com>
Date:	Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:45:54 -0800
From:	Rick Jones <rick.jones2@...com>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
CC:	gallatin@...i.com, netdev@...r.kernel.org, ossthema@...ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] LRO ack aggregation

David Miller wrote:
> From: Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@...i.com>
> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:11:55 -0400
> 
> 
>>I've attached a patch which adds support to inet_lro for aggregating
>>pure acks.
> 
> 
> I've applied this patch to net-2.6.25... but!
> 
> This needs some serious thinking.  What this patch ends up doing is creating
> big stretch-ACKs, and those can hurt performance.
> 
> Stretch ACKs are particularly harmful when either the receiver is cpu
> weak (lacking enough cpu power to fill the pipe completely no matter
> what optimizations are applied) or when there is packet loss (less
> feedback information and ACK clocking).
> 
> It also means that the sender will be more bursty, because it will now
> swallow ACKs covering huge portions of the send window, and then have
> large chunks of it's send queue it can send out all at once.
> 
> Fundamentally, I really don't like this change, it batches to the
> point where it begins to erode the natural ACK clocking of TCP, and I
> therefore am very likely to revert it before merging to Linus.

Sounds like one might as well go ahead and implement HP-UX/Solaris-like 
ACK sending avoidance at the receiver and not bother with LRO-ACK on the 
sender.

In some experiements a while back I thought I saw that LRO on the 
receiver was causing him to send fewer ACKs already?  IIRC that was with 
a Myricom card, perhaps I was fooled by it's own ACK LRO it was doing.

rick jones
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