netdev - Re: [PATCH] pkt_sched: sch_netem: Limit packet re-ordering functionality to tfifo qdisc.

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Message-ID: <20081021165129.422dd83f@extreme>
Date:	Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:51:29 -0700
From:	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Cc:	jarkao2@...il.com, kaber@...sh.net, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	herbert@...dor.apana.org.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pkt_sched: sch_netem: Limit packet re-ordering
 functionality to tfifo qdisc.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:36:05 -0700 (PDT)
David Miller <davem@...emloft.net> wrote:

> From: Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@...il.com>
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:12:10 +0200
> 
> > pkt_sched: sch_netem: Limit packet re-ordering functionality to tfifo qdisc.
> > 
> > After introducing qdisc->ops->peek() method the only remaining user of
> > qdisc->ops->requeue() is netem_enqueue() using this for packet
> > re-ordering. According to Patrick McHardy: "a lot of the functionality
> > of netem requires the inner tfifo anyways and rate-limiting is usually
> > done on top of netem. So I would suggest so either hard-wire the tfifo
> > qdisc or at least make the assumption that inner qdiscs are work-
> > conserving." This patch tries the former.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@...il.com>
> 
> This is an interesting patch.
> 
> But the thing that strikes me is this: Why don't we just let sch_netem do
> the reordering inside of itself entirely and just get rid of all of this
> ->requeue() business?
> 
> sch_netem is just a black box, like any other packet scheduler node in
> the tree, and so it can internally do the reordering with a self managed
> packet list or similar.  All of this can be hidden inside of it's ->dequeue()
> with some pkt_sch watchdog timer that fires to prevent stale packets sitting
> in the reorder queue forever.
> 
> Anyways, just and idea and RFC, just like this patch ;-)

The problem is that jamal talked me into having netem as a classful qdisc,
instead of doing its own rate control.  People like to do use TBF as inner qdisc,
and do reordering.
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