netdev - Re: time for TCP ECN defaulting to on?

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Message-ID: <1225847763.11369.43.camel@HP1>
Date:	Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:16:03 -0800
From:	"Michael Chan" <mchan@...adcom.com>
To:	"David Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>
cc:	"linux-kernel@...eteddy.net" <linux-kernel@...eteddy.net>,
	"daniel.blueman@...il.com" <daniel.blueman@...il.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-net@...r.kernel.org" <linux-net@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: time for TCP ECN defaulting to on?


On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 14:52 -0800, David Miller wrote:
> From: Dave Hudson <linux-kernel@...eteddy.net>
> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:16:03 +0000
> 
> > Daniel J Blueman wrote:
> > > Is it time to enable TCP ECN per default and get the benefits, since
> > > router support has been around and known-about for really considerable
> > > time?
> > > Perhaps it should be a question of enabling it, and educating people
> > > to disable it if they run into issues, since we'll probably be in the
> > > same situation in 5 years...and it'll be some time before these
> > > kernels hit devices/servers anyway.
> > > Daniel
> >
> > Unfortunately I think you'll find there are sufficiently large
> > numbers of broken SOHO routers out there that if you try this you'll
> > cause a lot of problems.  The problems range from no connectivity to
> > in a few extreme cases routers actually crashing or behaving in very
> > unpredictable ways.  Here's one summary that got presented to the
> > IETF about 18 months ago:
> >
> > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/07mar/slides/tsvarea-3/sld6.htm
> 
> Another issue is that, even if we turn it on by default, it won't
> be on for a significant number of network cards out there.
> 
> This is because TSO, which is on by default, doesn't support ECN
> in many implementations.

I think this is no longer a limitation.  The GSO code will take care of
ECN properly if the hardware does not support it when doing TSO.


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