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Date:	Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:28:24 +0800
From:	Américo Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com>
To:	Yong Zhang <yong.zhang0@...il.com>
Cc:	Américo Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
	Cypher Wu <cypher.w@...il.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Kernel rwlock design, Multicore and IGMP

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:00:17PM +0800, Yong Zhang wrote:
>On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:18:18PM +0800, Américo Wang wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:09:45PM +0800, Yong Zhang wrote:
>> >On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Américo Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:27:54AM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>> >>>Le vendredi 12 novembre 2010 à 15:13 +0800, Américo Wang a écrit :
>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:32:59AM +0800, Cypher Wu wrote:
>> >>>> >On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> Le jeudi 11 novembre 2010 à 21:49 +0800, Cypher Wu a écrit :
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Hi
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> CC netdev, since you ask questions about network stuff _and_ rwlock
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>> I'm using TILEPro and its rwlock in kernel is a liitle different than
>> >>>> >>> other platforms. It have a priority for write lock that when tried it
>> >>>> >>> will block the following read lock even if read lock is hold by
>> >>>> >>> others. Its code can be read in Linux Kernel 2.6.36 in
>> >>>> >>> arch/tile/lib/spinlock_32.c.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> This seems a bug to me.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> read_lock() can be nested. We used such a schem in the past in iptables
>> >>>> >> (it can re-enter itself),
>> >>>> >> and we used instead a spinlock(), but with many discussions with lkml
>> >>>> >> and Linus himself if I remember well.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >It seems not a problem that read_lock() can be nested or not since
>> >>>> >rwlock doesn't have 'owner', it's just that should we give
>> >>>> >write_lock() a priority than read_lock() since if there have a lot
>> >>>> >read_lock()s then they'll starve write_lock().
>> >>>> >We should work out a well defined behavior so all the
>> >>>> >platform-dependent raw_rwlock has to design under that principle.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>AFAIK, Lockdep allows read_lock() to be nested.
>> >>>
>> >>>> It is a known weakness of rwlock, it is designed like that. :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Agreed.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Just for record, both Tile and X86 implement rwlock with a write-bias,
>> >> this somewhat reduces the write-starvation problem.
>> >
>> >Are you sure(on x86)?
>> >
>> >It seems that we never realize writer-bias rwlock.
>> >
>> 
>> Try
>> 
>> % grep RW_LOCK_BIAS -nr arch/x86
>> 
>> *And* read the code to see how it works. :)
>
>If read_lock()/write_lock() fails, the subtracted value(1 for
>read_lock() and RW_LOCK_BIAS for write_lock()) is added back.
>So reader and writer will contend on the same lock fairly.
>
>And RW_LOCK_BIAS based rwlock is a variant of sighed-test
>rwlock, so it works in the same way to highest-bit-set mode
>rwlock.
>
>Seem you're cheated by it's name(RW_LOCK_BIAS). :)

Ah, no, I made a mistake that I thought the initial value
of rwlock is something like 0, but clearly it is RW_LOCK_BIAS.
Yeah, then there is certainly no bias to writers, and x86
must be using almost the same algorithm with Tile.

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