netdev - Re: Fwd: a Great Idea - include Kademlia networking protocol in kernel -- REVISITED

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Date:	Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:21:19 -0700
From:	Marcos <stalkingtime@...il.com>
To:	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>
Cc:	netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: a Great Idea - include Kademlia networking protocol in
 kernel -- REVISITED

[Eric Dumazet wrote:]
> But we dont want a "super operating system". We want a good one.

Yes, well you have that, I think, speaking at the kernel level.  But
the thing is, people are building tools that mimic such anyway, and
the next wave of new value will be found there.

> Memory stores done in userland are as fast as memory stores done in
> kernel.

Really? And how about the abstraction-level?  because that will either
make it lucrative or not for developers to build applications for
it.....

> Once you need to access files, perform complex searches, timers,
> logging, and all the stuff, you really want to do it from userland, in
> high level language that many programmers master, or get something that
> is too complex/buggy.

Yes, of course, all that will have to be considered.   But I'm
suggesting that such a move is an investment in the future, that the
the number of machines that will want or request peer-2-peer
connectivity will (or should) only increase.  Done right, such a move
should *simplify* things.  We're biased to think in centralized ways
because of the centuries-old history of *who* has the resources.  But
as networking, computation, and storage become commodified further,
whole new topologies for the *right* architecture become available.
The idea of "the OS" itself morphs.   And the *only* way maximize the
value of the network is to make it easy to connect and communicate
between peers -- what happens after that is so radical it can hardly
be speculated because it gets into the realm of emergent complexity.
Again, I refer you to Reed's law on the value of such networks.

marcos
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