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Message-ID: <CAO_RewbbUfxAaWSjifrpp1qpQ1JAC1i=9huFdb442VoRTupTbw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:56:33 -0700
From:	Tim Hockin <thockin@...gle.com>
To:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
Cc:	Simo Sorce <ssorce@...hat.com>, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	cgroups@...r.kernel.org,
	Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
	jkaluza@...hat.com, lpoetter@...hat.com, kay@...hat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP

In some sense a cgroup is a pgrp that mere mortals can't escape.  Why
not just do something like that?  root can set this "container id" or
"job id" on your process when it first starts (e.g. docker sets it on
your container process) or even make a cgroup that sets this for all
processes in that cgroup.

ints are better than strings anyway.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Simo Sorce <ssorce@...hat.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2014-03-13 at 11:00 -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:55:34AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
>>>
>>> [..]
>>> > > > This might not be quite as awful as I thought.  At least you're
>>> > > > looking up the cgroup at connection time instead of at send time.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > OTOH, this is still racy -- the socket could easily outlive the cgroup
>>> > > > that created it.
>>> > >
>>> > > That's a good point. What guarantees that previous cgroup was not
>>> > > reassigned to a different container.
>>> > >
>>> > > What if a process A opens the connection with sssd. Process A passes the
>>> > > file descriptor to a different process B in a differnt container.
>>> >
>>> > Stop right here.
>>> > If the process passes the fd it is not my problem anymore.
>>> > The process can as well just 'proxy' all the information to another
>>> > process.
>>> >
>>> > We just care to properly identify the 'original' container, we are not
>>> > in the business of detecting malicious behavior. That's something other
>>> > mechanism need to protect against (SELinux or other LSMs, normal
>>> > permissions, capabilities, etc...).
>>> >
>>> > > Process A exits. Container gets removed from system and new one gets
>>> > > launched which uses same cgroup as old one. Now process B sends a new
>>> > > request and SSSD will serve it based on policy of newly launched
>>> > > container.
>>> > >
>>> > > This sounds very similar to pid race where socket/connection will outlive
>>> > > the pid.
>>> >
>>> > Nope, completely different.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I think you missed my point. Passing file descriptor is not the problem.
>>> Problem is reuse of same cgroup name for a different container while
>>> socket lives on. And it is same race as reuse of a pid for a different
>>> process.
>>
>> The cgroup name should not be reused of course, if userspace does that,
>> it is userspace's issue. cgroup names are not a constrained namespace
>> like pids which force the kernel to reuse them for processes of a
>> different nature.
>>
>
> You're proposing a feature that will enshrine cgroups into the API use
> by non-cgroup-controlling applications.  I don't think that anyone
> thinks that cgroups are pretty, so this is an unfortunate thing to
> have to do.
>
> I've suggested three different ways that your goal could be achieved
> without using cgroups at all.  You haven't really addressed any of
> them.
>
> In order for something like this to go into the kernel, I would expect
> a real use case and a justification for why this is the right way to
> do it.
>
> "Docker containers can be identified by cgroup path" is completely
> unconvincing to me.
>
> --Andy
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