netdev - Re: [PATCH v2 net-next 0/2] split BPF out of core networking

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Message-ID: <538D8DAA.7090105@redhat.com>
Date:	Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:56:10 +0200
From:	Daniel Borkmann <dborkman@...hat.com>
To:	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...mgrid.com>
CC:	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Chema Gonzalez <chema@...gle.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...radead.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...hat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 net-next 0/2] split BPF out of core networking

On 06/02/2014 09:02 PM, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
...
> Classic has all sorts of hard coded assumptions. The whole
> concept of 'load from magic constant' to mean different things
> is flawed. We all got used to it and now think that it's normal
> for "ld_abs -4056" to mean "a ^= x"

I think everyone knows that, no? Sure it doesn't fit into the
concept, but I think at the time BPF extensions were introduced,
it was probably seen as the best trade-off available to access
useful skb fields while still trying to minimize exposure to uapi
as much as possible.

> This split is not trying to make classic easier to hack.
> With eBPF underneath classic, it got a lot easier to add extensions
> to classic, but we shouldn't be doing it.
> Classic BPF is not generic and cannot become one. It's eBPF's job.
>
> The split is mainly helping to clearly see the boundary of eBPF core
> vs its socket use case. It doesn't change or add any API.

So what's the plan with everything in arch/*/net/, tools/net/ and
in Documentation/networking/filter.txt, plus MAINTAINERS file, that
the current patch doesn't address?

We want changes to go via netdev@...r.kernel.org as they always
did, since [ although other use cases pop up ] the main user, as
I said, is simply still packet filtering in various networking
subsystems, no?

> This in-kernel API cleanup was done in commit 5fe821a9dee2
> You even acked it back then :)

I agreed with that change, otherwise I wouldn't have acked it,
of course.
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