Message-ID: <20150514213443.GA23715@bamboo.electronicsoup>
Date:	Thu, 14 May 2015 22:34:44 +0100
From:	John Whitmore <arigead@...il.com>
To:	Dan Williams <dcbw@...hat.com>
Cc:	netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GSM Modem management?

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 03:20:36PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 20:44 +0100, John Whitmore wrote:
> > Chances are that I'm in the wrong place here, "Linux" networking having so many
> > parts, many of which aren't in the kernel, that being said this might be
> > considered the centre of it all, so I thought I'd start here and see if
> > somebody would point me in a direction that was better placed to answer some
> > of my queries.
> > 
> > I'm working on a mobile system, RaspberryPi based, which has two 4G USB
> > Dongles for communications to the Internet. Both dongles are the same make and
> > model but have different service provider sims. The idea being that if one has
> > no coverage hopefully the other does have some degree of connectivity. I
> > started by connecting up to the internet using network-manager-gnome for a
> > single dongle. Unfortunately when I started a ping test after a couple of ping
> > messages it crashed the whole raspbian system without any message going to
> > /var/log/messages. Totally locked up. 
> 
> Odd, are these dongles using AT commands or are they using one of the
> proprietary protocols like QMI, MBIM, or QCDM?  It's highly unlikely
> that NetworkManager + ModemManager would be crashing your system when
> using plain AT commands, but there have in the past been driver problems
> with QMI and MBIM.  Can you give specifics on the dongles?
>

Thanks a million for that! I've never played with GSM Dongles before, so I'd
never heard of anything but AT being used. That is a great help. Dongle is a
Huawei E398. It's a LTE/UMTS/GSM Modem/Networkcard according to "lsusb" and
comes in as 12d1:1505 and then after usb_modeswitch 12d1:1506. Given that
"Networkcard" all those protocols you mentioned are probably what's being used.
 
> > Having failed with the Network-manager I used wvdial to establish a connection
> > and that is as happy as larry, pinging away. 
> 
> Are you using PPP as the mechanism here?  Unless you have very low
> bandwidth requirements I'd recommend using the pseudo-ethernet interface
> provided by the modem (which often also requires using a proprietary
> protocol like QMI or MBIM to control it) since this gives much higher
> throughput especially with HSPA+ and LTE.
>

Yes when I use wvdial it brings them up using a ppp0 interface. I should go
back to the network-manager and keep an eye on the modem manager. Didn't
realise that service was in there so again thanks a million.
 
> > My questions are to do with how to manage two identical Dongles. At present
> > when usb-modeswitch ejects them, from CD Drive, into modem configuration, when
> > "qmi_wwan" assignes a network name. I'd like to assign udev rules to assign
> > carrier based names to the network interfaces. I'm not sure if udev will
> > interfere with qmi_wwan? 
> 
> Aha, so you are using Qualcomm-based dongles :)  So NetworkManager +
> ModemManager will natively try to use QMI + ethernet on these dongles
> just like Windows does, because that provides the most flexibility and
> speed.  So the crashes/hangs you were experiencing may be due to driver
> issues in the qmi_wwan and cdc_wdm modules.  What kernel version are you
> using here too?

Latest for the RaspberryPi, I think, 3.18.13 on a RPi Vesion 2. It's not what
came with raspbian but I built the latest.

> 
> > That is possibly the easy part. I then want to attach some logic to manage the
> > connections in a very basic manner and perhaps display connectivity
> > information to the user on the desktop. Could somebody tell me where this
> > functionality would be added? I assume that ppp has no idea about GSM signal
> > strength. It'd be great if a simple user space program could monitor DBus and
> > bring up or drop the connections as conditions change, but I guess that might
> > be asking for a little bit much. So if not ppp what sub-system controls the
> > Modem? 
> 
> It all depends on the modem itself and what it supports.  We've tried to
> develop ModemManager as single system service that works with all kinds
> of modems and insulates you from these kind of issues.  The end result
> is that nothing in the Linux kernel itself provides this kind of
> management; the kernel only provides interfaces to the modem's firmware
> and its up to userspace to figure out what protocols the modem speaks
> (AT, QMI, MBIM, QCDM, etc) and to talk those protocols to the modem.
> 
> Dan
> 

Thanks so much for taking the time to educate me! I have to look into all this
and more protocols then I knew existed. I'll have a look into the modem
manager as that's probably something I've done incorrectly.

John
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