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Date:	Thu, 28 May 2015 06:42:48 +0000
From:	Hiroshi Shimamoto <h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com>
To:	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@...hat.com>,
	"jeffrey.t.kirsher@...el.com" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@...el.com>,
	"intel-wired-lan@...ts.osuosl.org" <intel-wired-lan@...ts.osuosl.org>
CC:	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"sy.jong.choi@...el.com" <sy.jong.choi@...el.com>,
	"ben@...adent.org.uk" <ben@...adent.org.uk>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH v5] ixgbe: Add module parameter to
 disable VLAN filter

> Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH v5] ixgbe: Add module parameter to disable VLAN filter
> 
> On 05/26/2015 06:11 PM, Hiroshi Shimamoto wrote:
> >> On 05/21/2015 06:10 AM, Hiroshi Shimamoto wrote:
> >>> From: Hiroshi Shimamoto <h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com>
> >>>
> >>> Introduce module parameter "disable_hw_vlan_filter" to disable HW VLAN
> >>> filter on ixgbe module load.
> >>>
> >>>   From the hardware limitation, there are only 64 VLAN entries for HW VLAN
> >>> filter, and it leads to limit the number of VLANs up to 64 among PF and
> >>> VFs. For SDN/NFV case, we need to handle unlimited VLAN packets on VF.
> >>> In such case, every VLAN packet can be transmitted to each VF.
> >>>
> >>> When we try to make VLAN devices on VF, the 65th VLAN registration fails
> >>> and never be able to receive a packet with that VLAN tag.
> >>> If we do the below command on VM, ethX.65 to ethX.100 cannot be created.
> >>>     # for i in `seq 1 100`; do \
> >>>       ip link add link ethX name ethX.$i type vlan id $i; done
> >>>
> >>> There is a capability to disable HW VLAN filter and that makes all VLAN
> >>> tagged packets can be transmitted to every VFs. After VLAN filter stage,
> >>> unicast packets are transmitted to VF which has the MAC address same as
> >>> the transmitting packet.
> >>>
> >>> With this patch and "disable_hw_vlan_filter=1", we can use unlimited
> >>> number of VLANs on VF.
> >>>
> >>> Disabling HW VLAN filter breaks some NIC features such as DCB and FCoE.
> >>> DCB and FCoE are disabled when HW VLAN filter is disabled by this module
> >>> parameter.
> >>> Because of that reason, the administrator has to know that before turning
> >>> off HW VLAN filter.
> >> You might also want to note that it makes the system susceptible to
> >> broadcast/multicast storms since it eliminates any/all VLAN isolation.
> >> So a broadcast or multicast packet on one VLAN is received on ALL
> >> interfaces regardless of their VLAN configuration. In addition the
> >> current VF driver is likely to just receive the packet as untagged, see
> >> ixgbevf_process_skb_fields().  As a result one or two VFs can bring the
> >> entire system to a crawl by saturating the PCIe bus via
> >> broadcast/multicast traffic since there is nothing to prevent them from
> >> talking to each other over VLANs that are no longer there.
> > that's right.
> >
> > On the other hand, an untagged packet is not isolated,
> > doesn't it same broadcast/multicast storm on untagged network?
> 
> Yes, that is one of the reasons for VLANs.  It provides isolation so
> that if you have two entities on the same network you won't have entity
> A able to talk to entity B.  The problem is with VLAN promiscuous
> enabled if entity B is a VF it will see the traffic but has no way to
> know that it was VLAN tagged and a part of entity A's VLAN.

Sorry, I guess I failed to make a question to clarify.
Occupying PCIe bus with broadcast/multicast packets causes performance
degradation. VLAN filter can isolate traffic and reduce PCIe bus usage,
but untagged broadcast/multicast traffic is still problem, I think.
What is difference between tagged packet and untagged packet?

> 
> >
> >> For the sake of backwards compatibility I would say that a feature like
> >> this should be mutually exclusive with SR-IOV as well since it will
> >> cause erratic behavior.  The VF will receive requests from all VLANs
> >> thinking the traffic is untagged, and then send replies back to VLAN 0
> >> even though that isn't where the message originated.
> > Sorry, I couldn't catch the above part.
> > Could you explain a bit more?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Hiroshi
> >
> >> Until the VF issue
> >> is fixed this type of feature is a no-go.
> >
> 
> The current behavior for a VF is that if it receives a VLAN that it
> didn't request it assumes it is operating in port VLAN mode.  The
> problem is with your patch the VF will be receiving all traffic but have
> no idea which VLAN it came from.  As a result it could be replying to
> multicast or broadcast requests on one VLAN with the wrong VLAN ID.
> 
> The VLAN behavior of the VF drivers will need to be fixed before
> something like that could be supported with ANY of the VFs.  As such you
> will probably need to fix the VF driver in order to allow any of them to
> come online when VLAN filtering is disabled, as the driver will need to
> report the VLAN tag ID up to the stack.

Thanks, that explains cleaner, I think I got the issue.
I have to check the exact behavior on my box to understand correctly, will do.

thanks,
Hiroshi

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