Message-ID: <55652130.6090708@gmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 26 May 2015 18:43:12 -0700
From:	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>
To:	Hiroshi Shimamoto <h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@...hat.com>,
	"jeffrey.t.kirsher@...el.com" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@...el.com>,
	"intel-wired-lan@...ts.osuosl.org" <intel-wired-lan@...ts.osuosl.org>
CC:	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"sy.jong.choi@...el.com" <sy.jong.choi@...el.com>,
	"ben@...adent.org.uk" <ben@...adent.org.uk>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH v5] ixgbe: Add module parameter to disable
 VLAN filter

On 05/26/2015 06:11 PM, Hiroshi Shimamoto wrote:
>> On 05/21/2015 06:10 AM, Hiroshi Shimamoto wrote:
>>> From: Hiroshi Shimamoto <h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com>
>>>
>>> Introduce module parameter "disable_hw_vlan_filter" to disable HW VLAN
>>> filter on ixgbe module load.
>>>
>>>   From the hardware limitation, there are only 64 VLAN entries for HW VLAN
>>> filter, and it leads to limit the number of VLANs up to 64 among PF and
>>> VFs. For SDN/NFV case, we need to handle unlimited VLAN packets on VF.
>>> In such case, every VLAN packet can be transmitted to each VF.
>>>
>>> When we try to make VLAN devices on VF, the 65th VLAN registration fails
>>> and never be able to receive a packet with that VLAN tag.
>>> If we do the below command on VM, ethX.65 to ethX.100 cannot be created.
>>>     # for i in `seq 1 100`; do \
>>>       ip link add link ethX name ethX.$i type vlan id $i; done
>>>
>>> There is a capability to disable HW VLAN filter and that makes all VLAN
>>> tagged packets can be transmitted to every VFs. After VLAN filter stage,
>>> unicast packets are transmitted to VF which has the MAC address same as
>>> the transmitting packet.
>>>
>>> With this patch and "disable_hw_vlan_filter=1", we can use unlimited
>>> number of VLANs on VF.
>>>
>>> Disabling HW VLAN filter breaks some NIC features such as DCB and FCoE.
>>> DCB and FCoE are disabled when HW VLAN filter is disabled by this module
>>> parameter.
>>> Because of that reason, the administrator has to know that before turning
>>> off HW VLAN filter.
>> You might also want to note that it makes the system susceptible to
>> broadcast/multicast storms since it eliminates any/all VLAN isolation.
>> So a broadcast or multicast packet on one VLAN is received on ALL
>> interfaces regardless of their VLAN configuration. In addition the
>> current VF driver is likely to just receive the packet as untagged, see
>> ixgbevf_process_skb_fields().  As a result one or two VFs can bring the
>> entire system to a crawl by saturating the PCIe bus via
>> broadcast/multicast traffic since there is nothing to prevent them from
>> talking to each other over VLANs that are no longer there.
> that's right.
>
> On the other hand, an untagged packet is not isolated,
> doesn't it same broadcast/multicast storm on untagged network?

Yes, that is one of the reasons for VLANs.  It provides isolation so 
that if you have two entities on the same network you won't have entity 
A able to talk to entity B.  The problem is with VLAN promiscuous 
enabled if entity B is a VF it will see the traffic but has no way to 
know that it was VLAN tagged and a part of entity A's VLAN.

>
>> For the sake of backwards compatibility I would say that a feature like
>> this should be mutually exclusive with SR-IOV as well since it will
>> cause erratic behavior.  The VF will receive requests from all VLANs
>> thinking the traffic is untagged, and then send replies back to VLAN 0
>> even though that isn't where the message originated.
> Sorry, I couldn't catch the above part.
> Could you explain a bit more?
>
> thanks,
> Hiroshi
>
>> Until the VF issue
>> is fixed this type of feature is a no-go.
>

The current behavior for a VF is that if it receives a VLAN that it 
didn't request it assumes it is operating in port VLAN mode.  The 
problem is with your patch the VF will be receiving all traffic but have 
no idea which VLAN it came from.  As a result it could be replying to 
multicast or broadcast requests on one VLAN with the wrong VLAN ID.

The VLAN behavior of the VF drivers will need to be fixed before 
something like that could be supported with ANY of the VFs.  As such you 
will probably need to fix the VF driver in order to allow any of them to 
come online when VLAN filtering is disabled, as the driver will need to 
report the VLAN tag ID up to the stack.

- Alex

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