netdev - Re: [PATCH RFC 0/5] net: L2 only interfaces

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Message-ID: <55DCFB32.707@cumulusnetworks.com>
Date:	Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:33:06 -0700
From:	David Ahern <dsa@...ulusnetworks.com>
To:	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>
CC:	netdev@...r.kernel.org, davem@...emloft.net, andrew@...n.ch,
	linux@...ck-us.net, jiri@...nulli.us, sfeldma@...il.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/5] net: L2 only interfaces

On 8/25/15 4:20 PM, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 03:50:10PM -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This patch series implements a L2 only interface concept which basically denies
>> any kind of IP address configuration on these interfaces, but still allows them
>> to be used as configuration end-points to keep using ethtool and friends.
>>
>> A cleaner approach might be to finally come up with the concept of net_port
>> which a net_device would be a superset of, but this still raises tons of
>> questions as to whether we should be modifying userland tools to be able to
>> configure/query these interfaces. During all the switch talks/discussions last
>> year, it seemed to me like th L2-only interface is closest we have to a
>> "network port".
>>
>> Comments, flames, flying tomatoes welcome!
>>
>> Florian Fainelli (5):
>>    net: add IFF_L2_ONLY flag
>>    net: ipv4: Skip in_dev initialization for IFF_L2_ONLY interfaces
>>    net: ipv6: Skip in6_dev initialization for IFF_L2_ONLY interfaces
>
> interesting idea! Do you know how kernel/iproute2 will react to lack of in_dev?
> No crashes I'm assuming, but what kind of errors are thrown?
> imo great first step to have lightweight netdevs. +1 for 'net_port' in the future.
>

I was looking a lightweight netdevice a couple of months ago -- 
bypassing procfs, sysfs and reducing the overall size of the net_device 
struct (which needs to go on a diet). In my POC (which is not ready for 
posting) I am using a link attribute (IFLA_LWT_NETDEV) as the trigger to 
bypass devinet_sysctl_register for example.

In your case you are proposing an interface flag. Is the intention to 
allow a run time change?

David
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