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Date:	Mon, 28 Sep 2015 07:26:46 -0700
From:	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com>
To:	David Laight <David.Laight@...LAB.COM>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 1/2] ACPI / EC: Fix broken 64bit big-endian users of
 'global_lock'

On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 08:58 +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Rafael J. Wysocki
> > Sent: 27 September 2015 15:09
> ...
> > > > Say you have three adjacent fields in a structure, x, y, z, each one byte long.
> > > > Initially, all of them are equal to 0.
> > > >
> > > > CPU A writes 1 to x and CPU B writes 2 to y at the same time.
> > > >
> > > > What's the result?
> > >
> > > I think every CPU's  cache architecure guarantees adjacent store
> > > integrity, even in the face of SMP, so it's x==1 and y==2.  If you're
> > > thinking of old alpha SMP system where the lowest store width is 32 bits
> > > and thus you have to do RMW to update a byte, this was usually fixed by
> > > padding (assuming the structure is not packed).  However, it was such a
> > > problem that even the later alpha chips had byte extensions.
> 
> Does linux still support those old Alphas?
> 
> The x86 cpus will also do 32bit wide rmw cycles for the 'bit' operations.

That's different: it's an atomic RMW operation.  The problem with the
alpha was that the operation wasn't atomic (meaning that it can't be
interrupted and no intermediate output states are visible).

> > OK, thanks!
> 
> You still have to ensure the compiler doesn't do wider rmw cycles.
> I believe the recent versions of gcc won't do wider accesses for volatile data.

I don't understand this comment.  You seem to be implying gcc would do a
64 bit RMW for a 32 bit store ... that would be daft when a single
instruction exists to perform the operation on all architectures.

James


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