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Date:	Wed, 7 Oct 2015 08:05:29 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
Cc:	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...mgrid.com>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@...essinduktion.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/2] bpf: enable non-root eBPF programs


* Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2015-10-06 at 10:50 -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> >
> >> was also thinking that we can do it only in paths that actually
> >> have multiple protocol layers, since today bpf is mainly used with
> >> tcpdump(raw_socket) and new af_packet fanout both have cb cleared
> >> on RX, because it just came out of alloc_skb and no layers were called,
> >> and on TX we can clear 20 bytes in dev_queue_xmit_nit().
> >> af_unix/netlink also have clean skb. Need to analyze tun and sctp...
> >> but it feels overly fragile to save a branch in sk_filter,
> >> so planning to go with
> >> if(unlikely(prog->cb_access)) memset in sk_filter().
> >>
> >
> > This will break TCP use of sk_filter().
> > skb->cb[] contains useful data in TCP layer.
> >
> >
> 
> Since I don't know too much about the networking details:
> 
> 1. Does "skb->cb" *ever* contain anything useful for an unprivileged user?
> 
> 2. Does sbk->cb form a stable ABI?
> 
> Unless both answers are solid yesses, then maybe the right solution is
> to just deny access entirely to unprivileged users.

So this kind of instrumentation data is not an ABI in a similar fashion as tracing 
information is not an ABI either.

I.e. tracepoints can (and sometimes do) change 'semantics' - in that the 
interpretation of the implementational details behind that data changes as the 
implementation changes. That's not something that can ever be an ABI, just like 
the contents of /proc/kcore or /proc/slabinfo can not be an ABI.

Thanks,

	Ingo
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