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Date:	Wed, 7 Oct 2015 08:05:29 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <>
To:	Andy Lutomirski <>
Cc:	Eric Dumazet <>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <>,
	Daniel Borkmann <>,
	"David S. Miller" <>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <>,
	Eric Dumazet <>,
	Kees Cook <>,
	Linux API <>,
	Network Development <>,
	"" <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/2] bpf: enable non-root eBPF programs

* Andy Lutomirski <> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Eric Dumazet <> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2015-10-06 at 10:50 -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> >
> >> was also thinking that we can do it only in paths that actually
> >> have multiple protocol layers, since today bpf is mainly used with
> >> tcpdump(raw_socket) and new af_packet fanout both have cb cleared
> >> on RX, because it just came out of alloc_skb and no layers were called,
> >> and on TX we can clear 20 bytes in dev_queue_xmit_nit().
> >> af_unix/netlink also have clean skb. Need to analyze tun and sctp...
> >> but it feels overly fragile to save a branch in sk_filter,
> >> so planning to go with
> >> if(unlikely(prog->cb_access)) memset in sk_filter().
> >>
> >
> > This will break TCP use of sk_filter().
> > skb->cb[] contains useful data in TCP layer.
> >
> >
> Since I don't know too much about the networking details:
> 1. Does "skb->cb" *ever* contain anything useful for an unprivileged user?
> 2. Does sbk->cb form a stable ABI?
> Unless both answers are solid yesses, then maybe the right solution is
> to just deny access entirely to unprivileged users.

So this kind of instrumentation data is not an ABI in a similar fashion as tracing 
information is not an ABI either.

I.e. tracepoints can (and sometimes do) change 'semantics' - in that the 
interpretation of the implementational details behind that data changes as the 
implementation changes. That's not something that can ever be an ABI, just like 
the contents of /proc/kcore or /proc/slabinfo can not be an ABI.


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