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Message-ID: <57CDA6C7.5060501@iogearbox.net>
Date:   Mon, 05 Sep 2016 19:09:27 +0200
From:   Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>
To:     Daniel Mack <daniel@...que.org>, htejun@...com, ast@...com
CC:     davem@...emloft.net, kafai@...com, fw@...len.de,
        pablo@...filter.org, harald@...hat.com, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        sargun@...gun.me
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/6] bpf: add BPF_PROG_ATTACH and BPF_PROG_DETACH commands

On 09/05/2016 04:09 PM, Daniel Mack wrote:
> On 09/05/2016 03:56 PM, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
>> On 09/05/2016 02:54 PM, Daniel Mack wrote:
>>> On 08/30/2016 01:00 AM, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
>>>> On 08/26/2016 09:58 PM, Daniel Mack wrote:
>>>
>>>>>     enum bpf_map_type {
>>>>> @@ -147,6 +149,13 @@ union bpf_attr {
>>>>>     		__aligned_u64	pathname;
>>>>>     		__u32		bpf_fd;
>>>>>     	};
>>>>> +
>>>>> +	struct { /* anonymous struct used by BPF_PROG_ATTACH/DETACH commands */
>>>>> +		__u32		target_fd;	/* container object to attach to */
>>>>> +		__u32		attach_bpf_fd;	/* eBPF program to attach */
>>>>> +		__u32		attach_type;	/* BPF_ATTACH_TYPE_* */
>>>>> +		__u64		attach_flags;
>>>>
>>>> Could we just do ...
>>>>
>>>> __u32 dst_fd;
>>>> __u32 src_fd;
>>>> __u32 attach_type;
>>>>
>>>> ... and leave flags out, since unused anyway? Also see below.
>>>
>>> I'd really like to keep the flags, even if they're unused right now.
>>> This only adds 8 bytes during the syscall operation, so it doesn't harm.
>>> However, we cannot change the userspace API after the fact, and who
>>> knows what this (rather generic) interface will be used for later on.
>>
>> With the below suggestion added, then flags doesn't need to be
>> added currently as it can be done safely at a later point in time
>> with respecting old binaries. See also the syscall handling code
>> in kernel/bpf/syscall.c +825 and the CHECK_ATTR() macro. The
>> underlying idea of this was taken from perf_event_open() syscall
>> back then, see [1] for a summary.
>>
>>     [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/26/116
>
> Yes, I know that's possible, and I like the idea, but I don't think any
> new interface should come without flags really, as flags are something
> that will most certainly be needed at some point anyway. I didn't have
> them in my first shot, but Alexei pointed out that they should be added,
> and I agree.
>
> Also, this optimization wouldn't make the transported struct payload any
> smaller anyway, because the member of that union used by BPF_PROG_LOAD
> is still by far the biggest.
>
> I really don't think it's worth sparing 8 bytes here and then do the
> binary compat dance after flags are added, for no real gain.

Sure, but there's not much of a dance needed, see for example how map_flags
were added some time ago. So, iff there's really no foreseeable use-case in
sight and since we have this flexibility in place already, then I don't quite
follow why it's needed, if there's zero pain to add it later on. I would
understand it of course, if it cannot be handled later on anymore.