Date:   Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:49:47 -0700
From:   Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>
To:     Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
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Subject: Re: [patch net-next RFC 0/2] fib4 offload: notifier to let hw to
 be aware of all prefixes

On 9/19/16, 8:15 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 04:59:22PM CEST, roopa@...ulusnetworks.com wrote:
>> On 9/18/16, 11:14 PM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>>> Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:16:17AM CEST, roopa@...ulusnetworks.com wrote:
>>>> On 9/18/16, 1:00 PM, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>>>>> Le 06/09/2016 à 05:01, Jiri Pirko a écrit :
>>>>>> From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@...lanox.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is RFC, unfinished. I came across some issues in the process so I would
>>>>>> like to share those and restart the fib offload discussion in order to make it
>>>>>> really usable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the goal of this patchset is to allow driver to propagate all prefixes
>>>>>> configured in kernel down HW. This is necessary for routing to work
>>>>>> as expected. If we don't do that HW might forward prefixes known to kernel
>>>>>> incorrectly. Take an example when default route is set in switch HW and there
>>>>>> is an IP address set on a management (non-switch) port.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently, only fibs related to the switch port netdev are offloaded using
>>>>>> switchdev ops. This model is not extendable so the first patch introduces
>>>>>> a replacement: notifier to propagate fib additions and removals to whoever
>>>>>> interested. The second patch makes mlxsw to adopt this new way, registering
>>>>>> one notifier block for each mlxsw (asic) instance.
>>>>> Instead of introducing another specialization of a notifier_block
>>>>> implementation, could we somehow have a kernel-based netlink listener
>>>>> which receives the same kind of event information from rtmsg_fib()?
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason is that having such a facility would hook directly onto
>>>>> existing rtmsg_* calls that exist throughout the stack, and that seems
>>>>> to scale better.
>>>> I was thinking along the same lines. Instead of proliferating notifier blocks
>>>> through-out the stack for switchdev offload, putting existing events to use would be nice.
>>>>
>>>> But the problem though is drivers having to parse the netlink msg again. also, the intent
>>>> here is to do the offload first ..before the route is added to the kernel (though i don't see that in
>>>> the current series). existing netlink rmsg_fib events are generated after the route is added to the kernel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jiri, instead of the notifier, do you see a problem with always calling the existing switchdev
>>>> offload api for every route  for every asic instance ?. the first device where the route fits wins.
>>> There is not list of asic instances. Therefore the notifier fits much better here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> it seems similar to driver registering for notifier and looking at every route ...
>>>> am i missing something ?
>>>> and the policies you mention could help around selecting the asic instance (FCFS or mirror).
>>>> you will need to abstract out the asic instance for switchdev api to call on, but I thought you
>>>> already have that in some form in your devlink infrastructure.
>>> switchdev asic instances and devlink instances are orthogonal.
>> maybe it is not today...but the requirement for devlink was to provide a way to communicate
>> to the switch driver
>> - global switch attributes or
>> - things that cannot go via switch ports (exactly the problem you are trying to solve for routes here)
> Devlink is a general beast, not switch specific one. I see no need to
> use fib->devlink->driver route inside kernel. Devlink is for userspace
> facing.

yes, sure. it has a dev abstraction and an api. devlink discussion started a few years ago in the context
of switch asics for the very same reason that it will help direct the offload call to the
switch device driver when you cant apply the settings on a per port basis.
You have kept the abstraction and api generic ..which is a great thing.
But that can't be the reason for it to not support its original intent...if there is a way.

>
>
>> so,  maybe an instance of switch asic modeled via devlink will help here and possibly all/other switchdev
>> offload hooks ?
> Maybe, but in case of fibs, the notifier just fits great. I see no need
> for anything else.

I think its better to stick with 'offload api or notifier' whichever we pick ..
to be consistent with other switchdev offload areas. That was the original intent of
introducing the switchdev api layer. If we are now replacing the switchdev api with notifiers,
assuming 'notifiers are the best way' to offload routes, lets keep it consistent with
other switchdev offload areas too.

I know you already have them for links...and that is good..because links already have notifiers.
we will need the same thing for acls. Having notifiers for acls too seems like an overkill.
we will then have to extend this to multicast and mpls routes too. will all these be notifiers too ?

Do you see any scale problems with using notifiers ?. as you know these ascis can scale to
32k-128k routes.

lets discuss more at netdev1.2..if your patches are not in by then.

thanks,
Roopa

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