netdev - Re: [PATCH nf-next] netns: add and use net_ns

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Date:   Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:20:25 -0500
From:   ebiederm@...ssion.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To:     Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@...filter.org>
Cc:     Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com>,
        Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>,
        netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org,
        Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH nf-next] netns: add and use net_ns_barrier

Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@...filter.org> writes:

> Hi!
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 09:35:20AM -0700, Cong Wang wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de> wrote:
>> > Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de> wrote:
>> >> > Joe described it nicely, problem is that after unload we may have
>> >> > conntracks that still have a nf_conn_help extension attached that
>> >> > has a pointer to a structure that resided in the (unloaded) module.
>> >>
>> >> Why not hold a refcnt for its module?
>> >
>> > That would work as well.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure its nice to disallow rmmod of helper modules if they are
>> > used by a connection however.
>> 
>> I am _not_ suggesting to disallow rmmod.
>> 
>> >
>> > Right now you can "rmmod nf_conntrack_foo" at any time and this should
>> > work just fine without first having to flush affected conntracks
>> > manually.
>> 
>> My point is that since netns wq could invoke code of that module,
>> why it doesn't hold a refcnt of that module?
>> 
>> I am not familiar with netfilter code base so not sure if that is
>> hard to do or not, but it looks more elegant than this barrier.
>
> Florian has added a new native interface to integrate helpers into
> nftables in a much better way than we do now, that allows much more
> fine grain configuration. This new interface bumps refcounts on
> helpers as you suggest.
>
> However, we still have to sort of keep the existing behaviour around,
> people has been relying on this rmmod feature to globally disable
> helpers. It's very old thing indeed and as you can see, very sparse
> grain for the netns era... But still I think we need this.
>
> So I'm inclined to take this, and keep an eye to deprecate this
> behaviour in a several years ahead once. Probably we can get rid of
> this barrier at some point.

Acked-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>

If it works I don't have any problems with the code and it sounds like
it works.

My apologies for the delay.  There is an email black hole between Forian
and myself and I missed his replies.  Which gave me a very distored
picture of the conversation.

Eric