netdev - Re: [PATCH nf-next] netns: add and use net_ns

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Date:   Wed, 14 Jun 2017 10:41:47 +0200
From:   Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@...filter.org>
To:     Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com>
Cc:     Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>,
        "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
        netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org,
        Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH nf-next] netns: add and use net_ns_barrier

Hi!

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 09:35:20AM -0700, Cong Wang wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de> wrote:
> > Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de> wrote:
> >> > Joe described it nicely, problem is that after unload we may have
> >> > conntracks that still have a nf_conn_help extension attached that
> >> > has a pointer to a structure that resided in the (unloaded) module.
> >>
> >> Why not hold a refcnt for its module?
> >
> > That would work as well.
> >
> > I'm not sure its nice to disallow rmmod of helper modules if they are
> > used by a connection however.
> 
> I am _not_ suggesting to disallow rmmod.
> 
> >
> > Right now you can "rmmod nf_conntrack_foo" at any time and this should
> > work just fine without first having to flush affected conntracks
> > manually.
> 
> My point is that since netns wq could invoke code of that module,
> why it doesn't hold a refcnt of that module?
> 
> I am not familiar with netfilter code base so not sure if that is
> hard to do or not, but it looks more elegant than this barrier.

Florian has added a new native interface to integrate helpers into
nftables in a much better way than we do now, that allows much more
fine grain configuration. This new interface bumps refcounts on
helpers as you suggest.

However, we still have to sort of keep the existing behaviour around,
people has been relying on this rmmod feature to globally disable
helpers. It's very old thing indeed and as you can see, very sparse
grain for the netns era... But still I think we need this.

So I'm inclined to take this, and keep an eye to deprecate this
behaviour in a several years ahead once. Probably we can get rid of
this barrier at some point.