netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next v6 3/3] openvswitch: enable NSH support

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Message-ID: <20170906005359.GA103260@cran64.bj.intel.com>
Date:   Wed, 6 Sep 2017 08:53:59 +0800
From:   "Yang, Yi" <yi.y.yang@...el.com>
To:     Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@...essinduktion.org>
Cc:     "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "dev@...nvswitch.org" <dev@...nvswitch.org>,
        "jbenc@...hat.com" <jbenc@...hat.com>, "e@...g.me" <e@...g.me>,
        "blp@....org" <blp@....org>,
        "jan.scheurich@...csson.com" <jan.scheurich@...csson.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v6 3/3] openvswitch: enable NSH support

On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 09:12:09PM +0800, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote:
> "Yang, Yi" <yi.y.yang@...el.com> writes:
> 
> > We can change this later if we really find a better way to handle this
> > because it isn't defined in include/uapi/linux/openvswitch.h, so I still
> > have backdoor to do this if needed :-)
> 
> Sorry, I can't follow you.
> 
> It doesn't matter if something is defined in uapi headers, the
> observable behavior matters. If you allow users to configure flows with
> specific fields, it should not stop working at a future point in time.

Anyway this can be changed if it is really needed, so far current way is
the best one we can come up with, we would like to use it if you can
have better proposal. We have explained repeatedly context headers must
be matched and set, this is bottom line.

> 
> > For our sfc use case in Opendaylight, we use context[0] for tunnel ID,
> > context[1] for destination IP for reverse RSP, they are used to match
> > and set in OpenFlow table, you can't limit users to use them in such
> > ways.
> 
> So in your specific case you expect the masks to be completely stable
> because you defined a protocol on top of NSH, understood. And that is
> stable accross all possible paths. Understood as well.
> 
> > If you check GENEVE implementation, tun_metadata* can be set or matched
> > as any other match field.
> 
> Yes, I wrote that in my previous mail. I wonder why NSH context metadata
> is not in tun_metadata as well?

tun_metadata is tunnel metadata, GENEVE needs tunnel port, but NSH is
not so, NSH can't directly use tun_metadata, for MD type 2, we need to a
lot of rework on tun_metadata to make it shared between GENEVE and NSH,
I don't think this can happen in near term. So tun_metadata isn't option
for this now.

> 
> > Actually the most important information in NSH are just these context
> > headers, you can't limit imagination of users by removing them from flow
> > keys.
> >
> > My point is to bring miniflow into kernel data path to fix your concern,
> > this will benefit your employer directly :-)
> 
> Okay, interesting. It will probably not help if you still have a hash of
> a packet inside the flow table and use that for load balancing.
> 
> [...]
> 
> BTW I don't want to stop this patch, I am merely interested in how the
> bigger picture will look like in the end.
> 
> Bye,
> Hannes