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Message-ID: <20180612142557-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date:   Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:34:56 +0300
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@...el.com>
Cc:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>, alexander.h.duyck@...el.com,
        virtio-dev@...ts.oasis-open.org, qemu-devel@...gnu.org,
        jiri@...nulli.us, kubakici@...pl, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        jesse.brandeburg@...el.com,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org, loseweigh@...il.com,
        aaron.f.brown@...el.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY
 feature bit to virtio_net

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:02:45PM -0700, Samudrala, Sridhar wrote:
> On 6/11/2018 7:17 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 09:54:44AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 2018年06月12日 01:26, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 04:09:54PM -0700, Sridhar Samudrala wrote:
> > > > > This feature bit can be used by hypervisor to indicate virtio_net device to
> > > > > act as a standby for another device with the same MAC address.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I tested this with a small change to the patch to mark the STANDBY feature 'true'
> > > > > by default as i am using libvirt to start the VMs.
> > > > > Is there a way to pass the newly added feature bit 'standby' to qemu via libvirt
> > > > > XML file?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Sridhar Samudrala <sridhar.samudrala@...el.com>
> > > > So I do not think we can commit to this interface: we
> > > > really need to control visibility of the primary device.
> > > The problem is legacy guest won't use primary device at all if we do this.
> > And that's by design - I think it's the only way to ensure the
> > legacy guest isn't confused.
> 
> Yes. I think so. But i am not sure if Qemu is the right place to control the visibility
> of the primary device. The primary device may not be specified as an argument to Qemu. It
> may be plugged in later.
> The cloud service provider is providing a feature that enables low latency datapath and live
> migration capability.
> A tenant can use this feature only if he is running a VM that has virtio-net with failover support.

Well live migration is there already. The new feature is low latency
data path.

And it's the guest that needs failover support not the VM.


> I think Qemu should check if guest virtio-net supports this feature and provide a mechanism for
> an upper layer indicating if the STANDBY feature is successfully negotiated or not.
> The upper layer can then decide if it should hot plug a VF with the same MAC and manage the 2 links.
> If VF is successfully hot plugged, virtio-net link should be disabled.

Did you even talk to upper layer management about it?
Just list the steps they need to do and you will see
that's a lot of machinery to manage by the upper layer.

What do we gain in flexibility? As far as I can see the
only gain is some resources saved for legacy VMs.

That's not a lot as tenant of the upper layer probably already has
at least a hunch that it's a new guest otherwise
why bother specifying the feature at all - you
save even more resources without it.




> 
> > 
> > > How about control the visibility of standby device?
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > standy the always there to guarantee no downtime.
> > 
> > > > However just for testing purposes, we could add a non-stable
> > > > interface "x-standby" with the understanding that as any
> > > > x- prefix it's unstable and will be changed down the road,
> > > > likely in the next release.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > ---
> > > > >    hw/net/virtio-net.c                         | 2 ++
> > > > >    include/standard-headers/linux/virtio_net.h | 3 +++
> > > > >    2 files changed, 5 insertions(+)
> > > > > 
> > > > > diff --git a/hw/net/virtio-net.c b/hw/net/virtio-net.c
> > > > > index 90502fca7c..38b3140670 100644
> > > > > --- a/hw/net/virtio-net.c
> > > > > +++ b/hw/net/virtio-net.c
> > > > > @@ -2198,6 +2198,8 @@ static Property virtio_net_properties[] = {
> > > > >                         true),
> > > > >        DEFINE_PROP_INT32("speed", VirtIONet, net_conf.speed, SPEED_UNKNOWN),
> > > > >        DEFINE_PROP_STRING("duplex", VirtIONet, net_conf.duplex_str),
> > > > > +    DEFINE_PROP_BIT64("standby", VirtIONet, host_features, VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY,
> > > > > +                      false),
> > > > >        DEFINE_PROP_END_OF_LIST(),
> > > > >    };
> > > > > diff --git a/include/standard-headers/linux/virtio_net.h b/include/standard-headers/linux/virtio_net.h
> > > > > index e9f255ea3f..01ec09684c 100644
> > > > > --- a/include/standard-headers/linux/virtio_net.h
> > > > > +++ b/include/standard-headers/linux/virtio_net.h
> > > > > @@ -57,6 +57,9 @@
> > > > >    					 * Steering */
> > > > >    #define VIRTIO_NET_F_CTRL_MAC_ADDR 23	/* Set MAC address */
> > > > > +#define VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY      62    /* Act as standby for another device
> > > > > +                                         * with the same MAC.
> > > > > +                                         */
> > > > >    #define VIRTIO_NET_F_SPEED_DUPLEX 63	/* Device set linkspeed and duplex */
> > > > >    #ifndef VIRTIO_NET_NO_LEGACY
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > 2.14.3