netdev - Re: [RFC] Add BPF_SYNCHRONIZE bpf(2) command

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Date:   Sat, 14 Jul 2018 11:18:15 -0700
From:   Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>
To:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc:     Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@...gle.com>,
        Chenbo Feng <fengc@...gle.com>, dancol@...gle.com,
        mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com, Joel Fernandes <joelaf@...gle.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...com>,
        lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Tim Murray <timmurray@...gle.com>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>, netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Add BPF_SYNCHRONIZE bpf(2) command

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 08:40:19PM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
[..]
> > The kernel program might do:
> > 
> > =====
> > const int current_map_key = 1;
> > void *current_map = bpf_map_lookup_elem(outer_map, &current_map_key);
> > 
> > int stats_key = 42;
> > uint64_t *stats_value = bpf_map_lookup_elem(current_map, &stats_key);
> > __sync_fetch_and_add(&stats_value, 1);
> > =====
> > 
> > If a userspace does:
> > 
> > 1. Write new fd to outer_map[1].
> > 2. Call BPF_SYNC_MAP_ACCESS.
> > 3. Start deleting everything in the old map.
> > 
> > How can we guarantee that the __sync_fetch_and_add will not add to the
> > old map? 
> 
> without any changes to the kernel sys_membarrier will work.
> And that's what folks use already.
> BPF_SYNC_MAP_ACCESS implemented via synchronize_rcu() will work
> as well whether in the current implementation where rcu_lock/unlock
> is done outside of the program and in the future when
> rcu_lock/unlock are called by the program itself.

Cool Alexei and Lorenzo, sounds great to me. Daniel want to send a follow up
patch with BPF_SYNC_MAP_ACCESS changes then?

> > Will the verifier automatically
> > hold the RCU lock for as long as a pointer to an inner map is valid?
> 
> the verifier will guarantee the equivalency of future explicit
> lock/unlock by the program vs current situation of implicit
> lock/unlock by the kernel.
> The verifier will track that bpf_map_lookup_elem() is done
> after rcu_lock and that the value returned by this helper is
> not accessed after rcu_unlock. Baby steps of dataflow analysis.

Nice!

By the way just curious I was briefly going through kernel/bpf/arraymap.c.
How are you protecting against load-store tearing of values of array map
updates/lookups?

For example, if userspace reads an array map at a particular index, while
another CPU is updating it, then userspace can read partial values /
half-updated values right? Since rcu_read_lock is in use, I was hoping to
find something like rcu_assign_pointer there to protect readers against
concurrent updates.  Thanks for any clarification.

Regards,

- Joel