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Date:   Mon, 11 Feb 2019 13:39:12 -0800
From:   John Hubbard <>
To:     Ira Weiny <>
CC:     Jason Gunthorpe <>, <>,
        <>, <>,
        Daniel Borkmann <>,
        Davidlohr Bueso <>, <>,
        Mike Marciniszyn <>,
        Dennis Dalessandro <>,
        Doug Ledford <>,
        Andrew Morton <>,
        "Kirill A. Shutemov" <>,
        Dan Williams <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm/gup: Introduce get_user_pages_fast_longterm()

On 2/11/19 1:26 PM, Ira Weiny wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:13:56PM -0800, John Hubbard wrote:
>> On 2/11/19 12:39 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:16:42PM -0800, wrote:
>>>> From: Ira Weiny <>
>> [...]
>> It seems to me that the longterm vs. short-term is of questionable value.
> This is exactly why I did not post this before.  I've been waiting our other
> discussions on how GUP pins are going to be handled to play out.  But with the
> netdev thread today[1] it seems like we need to make sure we have a "safe" fast
> variant for a while.  Introducing FOLL_LONGTERM seemed like the cleanest way to
> do that even if we will not need the distinction in the future...  :-(

Yes, I agree. Below...

> [...]
> This is also why I did not change the get_user_pages_longterm because we could
> be ripping this all out by the end of the year...  (I hope. :-)
> So while this does "pollute" the GUP family of calls I'm hoping it is not
> forever.
> Ira
> [1]

Yes, and to be clear, I think your patchset here is fine. It is easy to find
the FOLL_LONGTERM callers if and when we want to change anything. I just think
also it's appopriate to go a bit further, and use FOLL_LONGTERM all by itself.

That's because in either design outcome, it's better that way:

-- If we keep the concept of "I'm a long-term gup call site", then FOLL_LONGTERM
is just right. The gup API already has _fast and non-fast variants, and once
you get past a couple, you end up with a multiplication of names that really
work better as flags. We're there.

-- If we drop the concept, then you've already done part of the work, by removing
the _longterm API variants.

John Hubbard

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