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Date:   Sun, 3 Mar 2019 13:32:50 -0800
From:   John Fastabend <>
To:     Eric Dumazet <>,
        "David S . Miller" <>
Cc:     netdev <>,
        Eric Dumazet <>,
        Jamal Hadi Salim <>,
        Cong Wang <>,
        Jiri Pirko <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] net: sched: put back q.qlen into a single location

On 2/28/19 12:55 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> In the series fc8b81a5981f ("Merge branch 'lockless-qdisc-series'")
> John made the assumption that the data path had no need to read
> the qdisc qlen (number of packets in the qdisc).
> It is true when pfifo_fast is used as the root qdisc, or as direct MQ/MQPRIO
> children.
> But pfifo_fast can be used as leaf in class full qdiscs, and existing
> logic needs to access the child qlen in an efficient way.
> HTB breaks badly, since it uses cl->leaf.q->q.qlen in :
>   htb_activate() -> WARN_ON()
>   htb_dequeue_tree() to decide if a class can be htb_deactivated
>   when it has no more packets.
> HFSC, DRR, CBQ, QFQ have similar issues, and some calls to
> qdisc_tree_reduce_backlog() also read q.qlen directly.
> Using qdisc_qlen_sum() (which iterates over all possible cpus)
> in the data path is a non starter.


> It seems we have to put back qlen in a central location,
> at least for stable kernels.

I can't think of anything better either unfortunately.

> For all qdisc but pfifo_fast, qlen is guarded by the qdisc lock,
> so the existing q.qlen{++|--} are correct.
> For 'lockless' qdisc (pfifo_fast so far), we need to use atomic_{inc|dec}()
> because the spinlock might be not held (for example from
> pfifo_fast_enqueue() and pfifo_fast_dequeue())
> This patch adds atomic_qlen (in the same location than qlen)
> and renames the following helpers, since we want to express
> they can be used without qdisc lock, and that qlen is no longer percpu.
> - qdisc_qstats_cpu_qlen_dec -> qdisc_qstats_atomic_qlen_dec()
> - qdisc_qstats_cpu_qlen_inc -> qdisc_qstats_atomic_qlen_inc()
> Later (net-next) we might revert this patch by tracking all these
> qlen uses and replace them by a more efficient method (not having
> to access a precise qlen, but an empty/non_empty status that might
> be less expensive to maintain/track).

Right I think this is the next step.

> Another possibility is to have a legacy pfifo_fast version that would
> be used when used a a child qdisc, since the parent qdisc needs
> a spinlock anyway. But then, future lockless qdiscs would also
> have the same problem.

I would prefer to optimize the qlen checks out for each qdisc but
haven't checked its possible yet in all cases.

> Fixes: 7e66016f2c65 ("net: sched: helpers to sum qlen and qlen for per cpu logic")
> Signed-off-by: Eric Dumazet <>
> Cc: John Fastabend <>
> Cc: Jamal Hadi Salim <>
> Cc: Cong Wang <>
> Cc: Jiri Pirko <>
> ---
>  include/net/sch_generic.h | 31 +++++++++++++------------------
>  net/core/gen_stats.c      |  2 --
>  net/sched/sch_generic.c   | 13 ++++++-------
>  3 files changed, 19 insertions(+), 27 deletions(-)


Acked-by: John Fastabend <>

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