Message-ID: <fefc82a3-a137-bc03-e1c3-8de79b238080@redhat.com>
Date:   Thu, 24 Oct 2019 18:42:50 +0800
From:   Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
To:     Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@...el.com>
Cc:     mst@...hat.com, alex.williamson@...hat.com,
        maxime.coquelin@...hat.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        kvm@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, dan.daly@...el.com,
        cunming.liang@...el.com, zhihong.wang@...el.com,
        lingshan.zhu@...el.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vhost: introduce mdev based hardware backend


On 2019/10/24 下午5:18, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 04:32:42PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>> On 2019/10/24 下午4:03, Jason Wang wrote:
>>> On 2019/10/24 下午12:21, Tiwei Bie wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 06:29:21PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>> On 2019/10/23 下午6:11, Tiwei Bie wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 03:25:00PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2019/10/23 下午3:07, Tiwei Bie wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 01:46:23PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2019/10/23 上午11:02, Tiwei Bie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 09:30:16PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2019/10/22 下午5:52, Tiwei Bie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> This patch introduces a mdev based hardware vhost backend.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This backend is built on top of the same abstraction used
>>>>>>>>>>>> in virtio-mdev and provides a generic vhost interface for
>>>>>>>>>>>> userspace to accelerate the virtio devices in guest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This backend is implemented as a mdev device driver on top
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the same mdev device ops used in virtio-mdev but using
>>>>>>>>>>>> a different mdev class id, and it will register the device
>>>>>>>>>>>> as a VFIO device for userspace to use. Userspace can setup
>>>>>>>>>>>> the IOMMU with the existing VFIO container/group APIs and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then get the device fd with the device name. After getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> the device fd of this device, userspace can use vhost ioctls
>>>>>>>>>>>> to setup the backend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@...el.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>> This patch depends on below series:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/10/17/286
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> v1 -> v2:
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Replace _SET_STATE with _SET_STATUS (MST);
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Check status bits at each step (MST);
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Report the max ring size and max number of queues (MST);
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Add missing MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE (Jason);
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Only support the network backend w/o multiqueue for now;
>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea on how to extend it to support
>>>>>>>>>>> devices other than net? I think we
>>>>>>>>>>> want a generic API or an API that could
>>>>>>>>>>> be made generic in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do we want to e.g having a generic vhost
>>>>>>>>>>> mdev for all kinds of devices or
>>>>>>>>>>> introducing e.g vhost-net-mdev and vhost-scsi-mdev?
>>>>>>>>>> One possible way is to do what vhost-user does. I.e. Apart from
>>>>>>>>>> the generic ring, features, ... related ioctls, we also introduce
>>>>>>>>>> device specific ioctls when we need them. As vhost-mdev just needs
>>>>>>>>>> to forward configs between parent and userspace and even won't
>>>>>>>>>> cache any info when possible,
>>>>>>>>> So it looks to me this is only possible if we
>>>>>>>>> expose e.g set_config and
>>>>>>>>> get_config to userspace.
>>>>>>>> The set_config and get_config interface isn't really everything
>>>>>>>> of device specific settings. We also have ctrlq in virtio-net.
>>>>>>> Yes, but it could be processed by the exist API. Isn't
>>>>>>> it? Just set ctrl vq
>>>>>>> address and let parent to deal with that.
>>>>>> I mean how to expose ctrlq related settings to userspace?
>>>>> I think it works like:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) userspace find ctrl_vq is supported
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) then it can allocate memory for ctrl vq and set its address through
>>>>> vhost-mdev
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) userspace can populate ctrl vq itself
>>>> I see. That is to say, userspace e.g. QEMU will program the
>>>> ctrl vq with the existing VHOST_*_VRING_* ioctls, and parent
>>>> drivers should know that the addresses used in ctrl vq are
>>>> host virtual addresses in vhost-mdev's case.
>>>
>>> That's really good point. And that means parent needs to differ vhost
>>> from virtio. It should work.
>>
>> HVA may only work when we have something similar to VHOST_SET_OWNER which
>> can reuse MM of its owner.
> We already have VHOST_SET_OWNER in vhost now, parent can handle
> the commands in its .kick_vq() which is called by vq's .handle_kick
> callback. Virtio-user did something similar:
>
> https://github.com/DPDK/dpdk/blob/0da7f445df445630c794897347ee360d6fe6348b/drivers/net/virtio/virtio_user_ethdev.c#L313-L322


This probably means a process context is required, something like 
kthread that is used by vhost which seems a burden for parent. Or we can 
extend ioctl to processing kick in the system call context.


>
>>
>>> But is there any chance to use DMA address? I'm asking since the API
>>> then tends to be device specific.
>>
>> I wonder whether we can introduce MAP IOMMU notifier and get DMA mappings
>> from that.
> I think this will complicate things unnecessarily and may
> bring pains. Because, in vhost-mdev, mdev's ctrl vq is
> supposed to be managed by host.


Yes.


>   And we should try to avoid
> putting ctrl vq and Rx/Tx vqs in the same DMA space to prevent
> guests having the chance to bypass the host (e.g. QEMU) to
> setup the backend accelerator directly.


That's really good point.  So when "vhost" type is created, parent 
should assume addr of ctrl_vq is hva.

Thanks


>
>> Thanks
>>

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