Date:   Fri, 20 Dec 2019 11:11:25 +0100
From:   Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>
To:     Prashant Bhole <prashantbhole.linux@...il.com>,
        Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
        Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@...hat.com>
Cc:     "David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        "Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@...nel.org>,
        David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com>,
        John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
        Toshiaki Makita <toshiaki.makita1@...il.com>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@...com>,
        Song Liu <songliubraving@...com>, Yonghong Song <yhs@...com>,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andriin@...com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@...aro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 11/14] tun: run XDP program in tx path

Prashant Bhole <prashantbhole.linux@...il.com> writes:

> On 12/20/19 12:24 PM, Jason Wang wrote:
>> 
>> On 2019/12/20 上午8:07, Prashant Bhole wrote:
>>> Note: Resending my last response. It was not delivered to netdev list
>>> due to some problem.
>>>
>>> On 12/19/19 7:15 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>>>> Prashant Bhole <prashantbhole.linux@...il.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/19/19 3:19 AM, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 12:48:59PM +0100, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@...hat.com> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:10:47 +0900
>>>>>>>> Prashant Bhole <prashantbhole.linux@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +static u32 tun_do_xdp_tx(struct tun_struct *tun, struct 
>>>>>>>>> tun_file *tfile,
>>>>>>>>> +             struct xdp_frame *frame)
>>>>>>>>> +{
>>>>>>>>> +    struct bpf_prog *xdp_prog;
>>>>>>>>> +    struct tun_page tpage;
>>>>>>>>> +    struct xdp_buff xdp;
>>>>>>>>> +    u32 act = XDP_PASS;
>>>>>>>>> +    int flush = 0;
>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>> +    xdp_prog = rcu_dereference(tun->xdp_tx_prog);
>>>>>>>>> +    if (xdp_prog) {
>>>>>>>>> +        xdp.data_hard_start = frame->data - frame->headroom;
>>>>>>>>> +        xdp.data = frame->data;
>>>>>>>>> +        xdp.data_end = xdp.data + frame->len;
>>>>>>>>> +        xdp.data_meta = xdp.data - frame->metasize;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have not configured xdp.rxq, thus a BPF-prog accessing this 
>>>>>>>> will crash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For an XDP TX hook, I want us to provide/give BPF-prog access to 
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> more information about e.g. the current tx-queue length, or TC-q 
>>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Question to Daniel or Alexei, can we do this and still keep 
>>>>>>>> BPF_PROG_TYPE_XDP?
>>>>>>>> Or is it better to introduce a new BPF prog type (enum 
>>>>>>>> bpf_prog_type)
>>>>>>>> for XDP TX-hook ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think a new program type would make the most sense. If/when we
>>>>>>> introduce an XDP TX hook[0], it should have different semantics 
>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>> regular XDP hook. I view the XDP TX hook as a hook that executes 
>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>> very last thing before packets leave the interface. It should have
>>>>>>> access to different context data as you say, but also I don't 
>>>>>>> think it
>>>>>>> makes sense to have XDP_TX and XDP_REDIRECT in an XDP_TX hook. And we
>>>>>>> may also want to have a "throttle" return code; or maybe that 
>>>>>>> could be
>>>>>>> done via a helper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, I don't think this "emulated RX hook on the other end 
>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>> virtual device" model that this series introduces is the right 
>>>>>>> semantics
>>>>>>> for an XDP TX hook. I can see what you're trying to do, and for 
>>>>>>> virtual
>>>>>>> point-to-point links I think it may make sense to emulate the RX 
>>>>>>> hook of
>>>>>>> the "other end" on TX. However, form a UAPI perspective, I don't 
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> we should be calling this a TX hook; logically, it's still an RX hook
>>>>>>> on the receive end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you guys are up for evolving this design into a "proper" TX 
>>>>>>> hook (as
>>>>>>> outlined above an in [0]), that would be awesome, of course. But not
>>>>>>> sure what constraints you have on your original problem? Do you
>>>>>>> specifically need the "emulated RX hook for unmodified XDP programs"
>>>>>>> semantics, or could your problem be solved with a TX hook with 
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> semantics?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with above.
>>>>>> It looks more like existing BPF_PROG_TYPE_XDP, but attached to egress
>>>>>> of veth/tap interface. I think only attachment point makes a 
>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>> May be use expected_attach_type ?
>>>>>> Then there will be no need to create new program type.
>>>>>> BPF_PROG_TYPE_XDP will be able to access different fields depending
>>>>>> on expected_attach_type. Like rx-queue length that Jesper is 
>>>>>> suggesting
>>>>>> will be available only in such case and not for all 
>>>>>> BPF_PROG_TYPE_XDP progs.
>>>>>> It can be reduced too. Like if there is no xdp.rxq concept for 
>>>>>> egress side
>>>>>> of virtual device the access to that field can disallowed by the 
>>>>>> verifier.
>>>>>> Could you also call it XDP_EGRESS instead of XDP_TX?
>>>>>> I would like to reserve XDP_TX name to what Toke describes as XDP_TX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   From the discussion over this set, it makes sense to have new type of
>>>>> program. As David suggested it will make a way for changes specific
>>>>> to egress path.
>>>>> On the other hand, XDP offload with virtio-net implementation is based
>>>>> on "emulated RX hook". How about having this special behavior with
>>>>> expected_attach_type?
>>>>
>>>> Another thought I had re: this was that for these "special" virtual
>>>> point-to-point devices we could extend the API to have an ATTACH_PEER
>>>> flag. So if you have a pair of veth devices (veth0,veth1) connecting to
>>>> each other, you could do either of:
>>>>
>>>> bpf_set_link_xdp_fd(ifindex(veth0), prog_fd, 0);
>>>> bpf_set_link_xdp_fd(ifindex(veth1), prog_fd, ATTACH_PEER);
>>>>
>>>> to attach to veth0, and:
>>>>
>>>> bpf_set_link_xdp_fd(ifindex(veth1), prog_fd, 0);
>>>> bpf_set_link_xdp_fd(ifindex(veth0), prog_fd, ATTACH_PEER);
>>>>
>>>> to attach to veth0.
>>>>
>>>> This would allow to attach to a device without having the "other end"
>>>> visible, and keep the "XDP runs on RX" semantics clear to userspace.
>>>> Internally in the kernel we could then turn the "attach to peer"
>>>> operation for a tun device into the "emulate on TX" thing you're already
>>>> doing?
>>>>
>>>> Would this work for your use case, do you think?
>>>>
>>>> -Toke
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is nice from UAPI point of view. It may work for veth case but
>>> not for XDP offload with virtio-net. Please see the sequence when
>>> a user program in the guest wants to offload a program to tun.
>>>
>>> * User program wants to loads the program by setting offload flag and
>>>   ifindex:
>>>
>>> - map_offload_ops->alloc()
>>>   virtio-net sends map info to qemu and it creates map on the host.
>>> - prog_offload_ops->setup()
>>>   New callback just to have a copy of unmodified program. It contains
>>>   original map fds. We replace map fds with fds from the host side.
>>>   Check the program for unsupported helpers calls.
>>> - prog_offload_ops->finalize()
>>>   Send the program to qemu and it loads the program to the host.
>>>
>>> * User program calls bpf_set_link_xdp_fd()
>>>   virtio-net handles XDP_PROG_SETUP_HW by sending a request to qemu.
>>>   Qemu then attaches host side program fd to respective tun device by
>>>   calling bpf_set_link_xdp_fd()
>>>
>>> In above sequence there is no chance to use.
>> 
>> 
>> For VM, I think what Toke meant is to consider virtio-net as a peer of 
>> TAP and we can do something like the following in qemu:
>> 
>> bpf_set_link_xdp_fd(ifindex(tap0), prog_fd, ATTACH_PEER);
>> 
>> in this case. And the behavior of XDP_TX could be kept as if the XDP was 
>> attached to the peer of TAP (actually a virtio-net inside the guest).
>
> I think he meant actually attaching the program to the peer. Most
> probably referring the use case I mentioned in the cover letter.
>
> "It can improve container networking where veth pair links the host and
> the container. Host can set ACL by setting tx path XDP to the veth
> iface."
>
> Toke, Can you please clarify?

Well, I was mostly talking about the UAPI. I.e., the ATTACH_PEER should
*behave as if* the XDP program ran on RX on the peer side. Whether it
actually just attaches on that side, or whether it is emulated like your
"run in TX path" patch does, I think would have to be context dependent.
For TAP/virtio_net, I think it would be pretty obvious that we should
just emulate it, like Jason said. For veth I'm not sure; there are some
gnarly details if we do actually move the attachment to the peer
interface when that peer is in a different namespace (a container
probably shouldn't be able to install an XDP program outside its
namespace, for instance). So either we could say we attach on the actual
peer if both interfaces are in the same namespace, and emulate
otherwise? IDK?

-Toke

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