Message-ID: <87pngj2tf0.fsf@toke.dk>
Date:   Fri, 20 Dec 2019 11:16:51 +0100
From:   Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>
To:     Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com>
Cc:     Martin Lau <kafai@...com>, bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Kernel Team <Kernel-team@...com>,
        Networking <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 11/13] bpf: libbpf: Add STRUCT_OPS support

Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com> writes:

> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 12:54 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM Martin Lau <kafai@...com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 08:34:25AM -0800, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:03 PM Martin Lau <kafai@...com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 07:07:23PM -0800, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
>> >> > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 4:48 PM Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@...com> wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > This patch adds BPF STRUCT_OPS support to libbpf.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > The only sec_name convention is SEC("struct_ops") to identify the
>> >> > > > > struct ops implemented in BPF, e.g.
>> >> > > > > SEC("struct_ops")
>> >> > > > > struct tcp_congestion_ops dctcp = {
>> >> > > > >         .init           = (void *)dctcp_init,  /* <-- a bpf_prog */
>> >> > > > >         /* ... some more func prts ... */
>> >> > > > >         .name           = "bpf_dctcp",
>> >> > > > > };
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > In the bpf_object__open phase, libbpf will look for the "struct_ops"
>> >> > > > > elf section and find out what is the btf-type the "struct_ops" is
>> >> > > > > implementing.  Note that the btf-type here is referring to
>> >> > > > > a type in the bpf_prog.o's btf.  It will then collect (through SHT_REL)
>> >> > > > > where are the bpf progs that the func ptrs are referring to.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > In the bpf_object__load phase, the prepare_struct_ops() will load
>> >> > > > > the btf_vmlinux and obtain the corresponding kernel's btf-type.
>> >> > > > > With the kernel's btf-type, it can then set the prog->type,
>> >> > > > > prog->attach_btf_id and the prog->expected_attach_type.  Thus,
>> >> > > > > the prog's properties do not rely on its section name.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Currently, the bpf_prog's btf-type ==> btf_vmlinux's btf-type matching
>> >> > > > > process is as simple as: member-name match + btf-kind match + size match.
>> >> > > > > If these matching conditions fail, libbpf will reject.
>> >> > > > > The current targeting support is "struct tcp_congestion_ops" which
>> >> > > > > most of its members are function pointers.
>> >> > > > > The member ordering of the bpf_prog's btf-type can be different from
>> >> > > > > the btf_vmlinux's btf-type.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Once the prog's properties are all set,
>> >> > > > > the libbpf will proceed to load all the progs.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > After that, register_struct_ops() will create a map, finalize the
>> >> > > > > map-value by populating it with the prog-fd, and then register this
>> >> > > > > "struct_ops" to the kernel by updating the map-value to the map.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > By default, libbpf does not unregister the struct_ops from the kernel
>> >> > > > > during bpf_object__close().  It can be changed by setting the new
>> >> > > > > "unreg_st_ops" in bpf_object_open_opts.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Signed-off-by: Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@...com>
>> >> > > > > ---
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > This looks pretty good to me. The big two things is exposing structops
>> >> > > > as real struct bpf_map, so that users can interact with it using
>> >> > > > libbpf APIs, as well as splitting struct_ops map creation and
>> >> > > > registration. bpf_object__load() should only make sure all maps are
>> >> > > > created, progs are loaded/verified, but none of BPF program can yet be
>> >> > > > called. Then attach is the phase where registration happens.
>> >> > > Thanks for the review.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > [ ... ]
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > >  static inline __u64 ptr_to_u64(const void *ptr)
>> >> > > > >  {
>> >> > > > >         return (__u64) (unsigned long) ptr;
>> >> > > > > @@ -233,6 +239,32 @@ struct bpf_map {
>> >> > > > >         bool reused;
>> >> > > > >  };
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > +struct bpf_struct_ops {
>> >> > > > > +       const char *var_name;
>> >> > > > > +       const char *tname;
>> >> > > > > +       const struct btf_type *type;
>> >> > > > > +       struct bpf_program **progs;
>> >> > > > > +       __u32 *kern_func_off;
>> >> > > > > +       /* e.g. struct tcp_congestion_ops in bpf_prog's btf format */
>> >> > > > > +       void *data;
>> >> > > > > +       /* e.g. struct __bpf_tcp_congestion_ops in btf_vmlinux's btf
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Using __bpf_ prefix for this struct_ops-specific types is a bit too
>> >> > > > generic (e.g., for raw_tp stuff Alexei used btf_trace_). So maybe make
>> >> > > > it btf_ops_ or btf_structops_?
>> >> > > Is it a concern on name collision?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The prefix pick is to use a more representative name.
>> >> > > struct_ops use many bpf pieces and btf is one of them.
>> >> > > Very soon, all new codes will depend on BTF and btf_ prefix
>> >> > > could become generic also.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Unlike tracepoint, there is no non-btf version of struct_ops.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not so much name collision, as being able to immediately recognize
>> >> > that it's used to provide type information for struct_ops. Think about
>> >> > some automated tooling parsing vmlinux BTF and trying to create some
>> >> > derivative types for those btf_trace_xxx and __bpf_xxx types. Having
>> >> > unique prefix that identifies what kind of type-providing struct it is
>> >> > is very useful to do generic tool like that. While __bpf_ isn't
>> >> > specifying in any ways that it's for struct_ops.
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > +        * format.
>> >> > > > > +        * struct __bpf_tcp_congestion_ops {
>> >> > > > > +        *      [... some other kernel fields ...]
>> >> > > > > +        *      struct tcp_congestion_ops data;
>> >> > > > > +        * }
>> >> > > > > +        * kern_vdata in the sizeof(struct __bpf_tcp_congestion_ops).
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Comment isn't very clear.. do you mean that data pointed to by
>> >> > > > kern_vdata is of sizeof(...) bytes?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > +        * prepare_struct_ops() will populate the "data" into
>> >> > > > > +        * "kern_vdata".
>> >> > > > > +        */
>> >> > > > > +       void *kern_vdata;
>> >> > > > > +       __u32 type_id;
>> >> > > > > +       __u32 kern_vtype_id;
>> >> > > > > +       __u32 kern_vtype_size;
>> >> > > > > +       int fd;
>> >> > > > > +       bool unreg;
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > This unreg flag (and default behavior to not unregister) is bothering
>> >> > > > me a bit.. Shouldn't this be controlled by map's lifetime, at least.
>> >> > > > E.g., if no one pins that map - then struct_ops should be unregistered
>> >> > > > on map destruction. If application wants to keep BPF programs
>> >> > > > attached, it should make sure to pin map, before userspace part exits?
>> >> > > > Is this problematic in any way?
>> >> > > I don't think it should in the struct_ops case.  I think of the
>> >> > > struct_ops map is a set of progs "attach" to a subsystem (tcp_cong
>> >> > > in this case) and this map-progs stay (or keep attaching) until it is
>> >> > > detached.  Like other attached bpf_prog keeps running without
>> >> > > caring if the bpf_prog is pinned or not.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll let someone else comment on how this behaves for cgroup, xdp,
>> >> > etc,
>> >> > but for tracing, for example, we have FD-based BPF links, which
>> >> > will detach program automatically when FD is closed. I think the idea
>> >> > is to extend this to other types of BPF programs as well, so there is
>> >> > no risk of leaving some stray BPF program running after unintended
>> >> Like xdp_prog, struct_ops does not have another fd-based-link.
>> >> This link can be created for struct_ops, xdp_prog and others later.
>> >> I don't see a conflict here.
>> >
>> > My point was that default behavior should be conservative: free up
>> > resources automatically on process exit, unless specifically pinned by
>> > user.
>> > But this discussion made me realize that we miss one thing from
>> > general bpf_link framework. See below.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > crash of userspace program. When application explicitly needs BPF
>> >> > program to outlive its userspace control app, then this can be
>> >> > achieved by pinning map/program in BPFFS.
>> >> If the concern is about not leaving struct_ops behind,
>> >> lets assume there is no "detach" and only depends on the very
>> >> last userspace's handles (FD/pinned) of a map goes away,
>> >> what may be an easy way to remove bpf_cubic from the system:
>> >
>> > Yeah, I think this "last map FD close frees up resources/detaches" is
>> > a good behavior.
>> >
>> > Where we do have problem is with bpf_link__destroy() unconditionally
>> > also detaching whatever was attached (tracepoint, kprobe, or whatever
>> > was done to create bpf_link in the first place). Now,
>> > bpf_link__destroy() has to be called by user (or skeleton) to at least
>> > free up malloc()'ed structs. But it appears that it's not always
>> > desirable that upon bpf_link destruction underlying BPF program gets
>> > detached. I think this will be the case for xdp and others as well.
>>
>> For XDP the model has thus far been "once attached, the program stays
>> until explicitly detached". Changing that would certainly be surprising,
>> so I agree that splitting the API is best (not that I'm sure how many
>> XDP programs will end up using that API, but that's a different
>> concern)...
>
> This would be a new FD-based API for XDP, I don't think we can change
> existing API. But I think default behavior should still be to
> auto-detach, unless explicitly "pinned" in whatever way. That would
> prevent surprising "leakage" of BPF programs for unsuspecting users.

But why do we need a new API for attaching XDP programs? Also, what are
the use cases where it makes sense to have this kind of "transient" XDP
program? The only one I can think about is something like xdpdump, which
moves packets to userspace (and should stop doing that when the
userspace listener goes away). But with bpf-to-bpf tracing, xdpdump
won't actually be an XDP program, so what's left? The system firewall
rules don't go away when the program that installed them exits either;
why should an XDP program?

-Toke

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