netdev - Re: [PATCH v3 00/14] Adding GAUDI NIC code to habanalabs driver

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Date:   Fri, 18 Sep 2020 14:52:27 +0300
From:   Leon Romanovsky <leon@...nel.org>
To:     Gal Pressman <galpress@...zon.com>
Cc:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>,
        Oded Gabbay <oded.gabbay@...il.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        "Linux-Kernel@...r. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, SW_Drivers <SW_Drivers@...ana.ai>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
        Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
        linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/14] Adding GAUDI NIC code to habanalabs driver

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 02:36:10PM +0300, Gal Pressman wrote:
> On 17/09/2020 20:18, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 11:46:58PM +0300, Oded Gabbay wrote:
> >> infrastructure for communication between multiple accelerators. Same
> >> as Nvidia uses NVlink, we use RDMA that we have inside our ASIC.
> >> The RDMA implementation we did does NOT support some basic RDMA
> >> IBverbs (such as MR and PD) and therefore, we can't use the rdma-core
> >> library or to connect to the rdma infrastructure in the kernel.
> >
> > You can't create a parallel RDMA subsystem in netdev, or in misc, and
> > you can't add random device offloads as IOCTL to nedevs.
> >
> > RDMA is the proper home for all the networking offloads that don't fit
> > into netdev.
> >
> > EFA was able to fit into rdma-core/etc and it isn't even RoCE at
> > all. I'm sure this can too.
>
> Well, EFA wasn't welcomed to the RDMA subsystem with open arms ;), initially it
> was suggested to go through the vfio subsystem instead.
>
> I think this comes back to the discussion we had when EFA was upstreamed, which
> is what's the bar to get accepted to the RDMA subsystem.
> IIRC, what we eventually agreed on is having a userspace rdma-core provider and
> ibv_{ud,rc}_pingpong working (or just supporting one of the IB spec's QP types?).
>
> Does GAUDI fit these requirements? If not, should it be in a different subsystem
> or should we open the "what qualifies as an RDMA device" question again?

I want to remind you that rdma-core requirement came to make sure that
anything exposed from the RDMA to the userspace is strict with proper
UAPI header hygiene.

I doubt that Havana's ioctls are backed by anything like this.

Thanks