netdev - Re: [PATCH v3 00/14] Adding GAUDI NIC code to habanalabs driver

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Message-ID: <20200918115601.GP8409@ziepe.ca>
Date:   Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:56:01 -0300
From:   Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>
To:     Gal Pressman <galpress@...zon.com>
Cc:     Oded Gabbay <oded.gabbay@...il.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        "Linux-Kernel@...r. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, SW_Drivers <SW_Drivers@...ana.ai>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
        Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
        linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/14] Adding GAUDI NIC code to habanalabs driver

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 02:36:10PM +0300, Gal Pressman wrote:
> On 17/09/2020 20:18, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 11:46:58PM +0300, Oded Gabbay wrote:
> >> infrastructure for communication between multiple accelerators. Same
> >> as Nvidia uses NVlink, we use RDMA that we have inside our ASIC.
> >> The RDMA implementation we did does NOT support some basic RDMA
> >> IBverbs (such as MR and PD) and therefore, we can't use the rdma-core
> >> library or to connect to the rdma infrastructure in the kernel. 
> > 
> > You can't create a parallel RDMA subsystem in netdev, or in misc, and
> > you can't add random device offloads as IOCTL to nedevs.
> > 
> > RDMA is the proper home for all the networking offloads that don't fit
> > into netdev.
> > 
> > EFA was able to fit into rdma-core/etc and it isn't even RoCE at
> > all. I'm sure this can too.
> 
> Well, EFA wasn't welcomed to the RDMA subsystem with open arms ;), initially it
> was suggested to go through the vfio subsystem instead.
> 
> I think this comes back to the discussion we had when EFA was upstreamed, which
> is what's the bar to get accepted to the RDMA subsystem.
> IIRC, what we eventually agreed on is having a userspace rdma-core provider and
> ibv_{ud,rc}_pingpong working (or just supporting one of the IB spec's QP types?).

That is more or less where we ended up, yes.

I'm most worried about this lack of PD and MR.

Kernel must provide security for apps doing user DMA, PD and MR do
this. If the device doesn't have PD/MR then it is hard to see how a WQ
could ever be exposed directly to userspace, regardless of subsystem.

Jason