Date:   Tue, 9 Feb 2021 08:47:02 +0200
From:   Leon Romanovsky <leon@...nel.org>
To:     Ido Schimmel <idosch@...sch.org>
Cc:     Chris Mi <cmi@...dia.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com>,
        Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        jiri@...dia.com, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...dia.com>,
        kernel test robot <lkp@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v4] net: psample: Introduce stubs to remove NIC
 driver dependency

On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 07:07:35PM +0200, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 11:07:02AM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 10:57:46AM +0200, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 09:03:50AM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 08:08:37PM +0200, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 09:37:11AM +0800, Chris Mi wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Ido,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 1/30/2021 10:42 PM, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 12:30:09PM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:08:39 +0800 Chris Mi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Instead of discussing it several days, maybe it's better to review
> > > > > > > > > current patch, so that we can move forward :)
> > > > > > > > It took you 4 revisions to post a patch which builds cleanly and now
> > > > > > > > you want to hasten the review? My favorite kind of submission.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The mlxsw core + spectrum drivers are 65 times the size of psample
> > > > > > > > on my system. Why is the dependency a problem?
> > > > > > > mlxsw has been using psample for ~4 years and I don't remember seeing a
> > > > > > > single complaint about the dependency. I don't understand why this patch
> > > > > > > is needed.
> > > > > > Please see Saeed's comment in previous email:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The issue is with distros who ship modules independently.. having a
> > > > > > hard dependency will make it impossible for basic mlx5_core.ko users to
> > > > > > load the driver when psample is not installed/loaded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I prefer to have 0 dependency on external modules in a HW driver.
> > > > > > "
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw it, but it basically comes down to personal preferences.
> > > >
> > > > It is more than personal preferences. In opposite to the mlxsw which is
> > > > used for netdev only, the mlx5_core is used by other subsystems, e.g. RDMA,
> > > > so Saeed's request to avoid extra dependencies makes sense.
> > > >
> > > > We don't need psample dependency to run RDMA traffic.
> > >
> > > Right, you don't need it. The dependency is "PSAMPLE || PSAMPLE=n". You
> > > can compile out psample and RDMA will work.
> >
> > So do you suggest to all our HPC users recompile their distribution kernel
> > just to make sure that psample is not called?
>
> I don't know. What are they complaining about? That psample needs to be
> installed for mlx5_core to be loaded? How come the rest of the
> dependencies are installed?

The psample module was first dependency that caught our attention. It is
here as an example of such not-needed dependency. Like Saeed said, we are
interested in more general solution that will allow us to use external
modules in fully dynamic mode.

Internally, as a preparation to the submission of mlx5 code that used nf_conntrack,
we found that restart of firewald service will bring down our mlx5_core driver, because
of such dependency.

So to answer on your question, HPC didn't complain yet, but we don't have any plans
to wait till they complain.

>
> Or are they complaining about the size / memory footprint of psample?
> Because then they should first check mlx5_core when all of its options
> are blindly enabled as part of a distribution config.

You are too focused on psample, while Saeed and I are saying more
general statement "I prefer to have 0 dependency on external modules in a HW driver."

>
> AFAICS, mlx5 still does not have any code that uses psample. You can
> wrap it in a config option and keep the weak dependency on psample.
> Something like:
>
> diff --git a/drivers/net/ethernet/mellanox/mlx5/core/Kconfig b/drivers/net/ethernet/mellanox/mlx5/core/Kconfig
> index ad45d20f9d44..d17d03d8cc8b 100644
> --- a/drivers/net/ethernet/mellanox/mlx5/core/Kconfig
> +++ b/drivers/net/ethernet/mellanox/mlx5/core/Kconfig
> @@ -104,6 +104,15 @@ config MLX5_TC_CT
>
>           If unsure, set to Y
>
> +config MLX5_TC_SAMPLE
> +       bool "MLX5 TC sample offload support"
> +       depends on MLX5_CLS_ACT
> +       depends on PSAMPLE || PSAMPLE=n
> +       default n
> +       help
> +         Say Y here if you want to support offloading tc rules that use sample
> +          action.
> +

This is another problem with mlx5 - complete madness with config options
that are not possible to test.
➜  kernel git:(rdma-next) grep -h "config MLX" drivers/net/ethernet/mellanox/mlx5/core/Kconfig | awk '{ print $2}' | sort |uniq |wc -l
19

And it is not weak dependency, but still hard dependency because you
need to recompile your kernel/module to disable/enable it. Any service
that will need to reload psample module for some reason will remove
mlx5_core.

Thanks

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