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Message-Id: <202109201825.18KIPsV4026066@valdese.nms.ulrich-teichert.org>
Date:   Mon, 20 Sep 2021 20:25:54 +0200 (CEST)
From:   Ulrich Teichert <krypton@...ich-teichert.org>
To:     torvalds@...ux-foundation.org (Linus Torvalds)
Cc:     krypton@...ich-teichert.org (Ulrich Teichert),
        mcree@...on.net.nz (Michael Cree),
        linux@...ck-us.net (Guenter Roeck),
        rth@...ddle.net (Richard Henderson),
        ink@...assic.park.msu.ru (Ivan Kokshaysky),
        mattst88@...il.com (Matt Turner),
        James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com (James E . J . Bottomley),
        deller@....de (Helge Deller),
        davem@...emloft.net (David S . Miller),
        kuba@...nel.org (Jakub Kicinski),
        linux-alpha@...r.kernel.org (alpha),
        geert@...ux-m68k.org (Geert Uytterhoeven),
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org (Linux Kernel Mailing List),
        linux-parisc@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org (Netdev),
        linux-sparse@...r.kernel.org (Sparse Mailing-list)
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Introduce and use absolute_pointer macro

Hi,

[sorry for the late answer, I was sick yesterday with digestive
system trouble, but nothing serious, just painful....]
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 1:26 PM Ulrich Teichert
> <krypton@...ich-teichert.org> wrote:
> >
> > I was just tinkering with it to get it compiled without warning,
> > I certainly didn't get the big picture :-/
> 
> Ok, you shamed me into some tinkering too, and I fixed a couple of
> issues with the alpha build.
> 
> The whole "pci_iounmap()" mess is not something I solved (you were
> cc'd on the email I sent out about that), but I did test a few
> different Jensen configurations and fixed a couple of uglies.
> 
> So at least _some_ Jensen configurations build cleanly once more, and
> I re-enabled JENSEN as a valid machine target.

Yes, I was able to build a minimal Jensen config without any warning
after pulling today, thanks! I think investing a bit in cleaning up
non-PCI configurations may help as soon as PCIe will be obsoleted
by the next bus system ;-)

> But if it doesn't boot, it's all fairly moot. And those things are a
> pain to debug, and if the last booting kernel was years and years ago,
> I don't think it realistically will necessarily ever be fixed.

The main trouble is that my system has only 64MB of memory and the smallest
kernel image with all drivers I need was about 105MB big. According
to: http://users.bart.nl/~geerten/FAQ-9.html
the Jensen can take up to 128MB of RAM and the required PS/2 SIMMs
with partity are still available on ebay, so I just bought 4x32 MB SIMMs.
After setting CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE the kernel image was still
93MB big, but with 128MB I should be able to boot it. Let's see....

> Oh well. I have an odd love-hate relationship with alpha.
> 
> I think it's one of the worst architectures ever designed (memory
> ordering is completely broken, and the lack of byte operations in the
> original specs were a big reason for the initial problems and eventual
> failure).

I didn't had the money for an Alpha at that time, but as soon as
cheap systems were available on ebay, I took the opportunity. At the
time I bought them, I considered the Miatas (the "Personal Workstations"
from DEC) as quite fast - that must have been around 2004/2006.

> But at the same time, I really did enjoy it back in the day, and it
> _was_ the first port I did, and the first truly integrated kernel
> architecture (the original Linux m68k port that preceded it was a
> "hack up and replace" job rather than "integrate")

My experience is that each port is good for code quality, but I can
only state that for user space applications, not having done much kernel
work,

CU,
Uli
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