netdev - Re: [PATCH v6 08/12] tools/bpf/bpftool/skeleton: make it adopt to task comm size change

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Message-ID: <CALOAHbAK6u8qO5EiQ9yPp5a_HwddmDJE-JDUoDBK4QeEiR6ywQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 27 Oct 2021 00:09:09 +0800
From:   Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@...il.com>
To:     Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
Cc:     Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 08/12] tools/bpf/bpftool/skeleton: make it adopt to
 task comm size change

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 9:12 PM Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:18:51 +0800
> Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@...il.com> wrote:
>
> > > So, if we're ever going to copying these buffers out of the kernel (I
> > > don't know what the object lifetime here in bpf is for "e", etc), we
> > > should be zero-padding (as get_task_comm() does).
> > >
> > > Should this, instead, be using a bounce buffer?
> >
> > The comment in bpf_probe_read_kernel_str_common() says
> >
> >   :      /*
> >   :       * The strncpy_from_kernel_nofault() call will likely not fill the
> >   :       * entire buffer, but that's okay in this circumstance as we're probing
> >   :       * arbitrary memory anyway similar to bpf_probe_read_*() and might
> >   :       * as well probe the stack. Thus, memory is explicitly cleared
> >   :       * only in error case, so that improper users ignoring return
> >   :       * code altogether don't copy garbage; otherwise length of string
> >   :       * is returned that can be used for bpf_perf_event_output() et al.
> >   :       */
> >
> > It seems that it doesn't matter if the buffer is filled as that is
> > probing arbitrary memory.
> >
> > >
> > > get_task_comm(comm, task->group_leader);
> >
> > This helper can't be used by the BPF programs, as it is not exported to BPF.
> >
> > > bpf_probe_read_kernel_str(&e.comm, sizeof(e.comm), comm);
>
> I guess Kees is worried that e.comm will have something exported to user
> space that it shouldn't. But since e is part of the BPF program, does the
> BPF JIT take care to make sure everything on its stack is zero'd out, such
> that a user BPF couldn't just read various items off its stack and by doing
> so, see kernel memory it shouldn't be seeing?
>
> I'm guessing it does, otherwise this would be a bigger issue than this
> patch series.
>

You guess is correct per my verification.
But the BPF JIT doesn't  zero it out, while it really does is adding
some character like '?' in my verification.

Anyway we don't need to worry that the kernel information may be
leaked though bpf_probe_read_kernel_str().

-- 
Thanks
Yafang