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Date:   Mon, 7 Feb 2022 23:19:48 +0530
From:   Raag Jadav <>
To:     Andrew Lunn <>
Cc:     Heiner Kallweit <>,
        Russell King <>,
        "David S. Miller" <>,
        Jakub Kicinski <>,
        Steen Hegelund <>,
        Bjarni Jonasson <>,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: phy: mscc: enable MAC SerDes autonegotiation

On Sun, Feb 06, 2022 at 07:01:41PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 06, 2022 at 10:42:34PM +0530, Raag Jadav wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 05, 2022 at 03:57:49PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 05, 2022 at 12:14:52PM +0530, Raag Jadav wrote:
> > > > Enable MAC SerDes autonegotiation to distinguish between
> > > > 1000BASE-X, SGMII and QSGMII MAC.
> > > 
> > > How does autoneg help you here? It just tells you about duplex, pause
> > > etc. It does not indicate 1000BaseX, SGMII etc. The PHY should be
> > > using whatever mode it was passed in phydev->interface, which the MAC
> > > sets when it calls the connection function. If the PHY dynamically
> > > changes its host side mode as a result of what that line side is
> > > doing, it should also change phydev->interface. However, as far as i
> > > can see, the mscc does not do this.
> > >
> > 
> > Once the PHY auto-negotiates parameters such as speed and duplex mode
> > with its link partner over the copper link as per IEEE 802.3 Clause 27,
> > the link partner’s capabilities are then transferred by PHY to MAC
> > over 1000BASE-X or SGMII link using the auto-negotiation functionality
> > defined in IEEE 802.3z Clause 37.
> None of this allows you to distinguish between 1000BASE-X, SGMII and
> QSGMII, which is what the commit message says.

I agree, the current commit message is misleading.

> It does allow you to get duplex, pause, and maybe speed via in band
> signalling. But you should also be getting the same information out of
> band, via the phylib callback.
> There are some MACs which don't seem to work correctly without the in
> band signalling, so maybe that is your problem? Please could you give
> more background about your problem, what MAC and PHY combination are
> you using, what problem you are seeing, etc.

MAC implementation[1] in a lot of NXP SoCs comes with in-band aneg enabled
by default, and it does expect Clause 37 auto-negotiation to complete
between MAC and PHY before the actual data transfer happens.


I faced such issue while integrating VSC85xx PHY
with one of the recent NXP SoC having similar MAC implementation.
Not sure if this is a problem on MAC side or PHY side,
But having Clause 37 support should help in most cases I believe.


>     Andrew

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