netdev - Re: [PATCH 2/8] perf evsel: Do not request ptrauth sample field if not supported

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Message-ID: <8b6a583a-4ee0-8097-54e5-7d51a6edaa@maine.edu>
Date:   Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:30:44 -0400 (EDT)
From:   Vince Weaver <vincent.weaver@...ne.edu>
To:     James Clark <james.clark@....com>
cc:     Andrew Kilroy <andrew.kilroy@....com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@...r.kernel.org,
        acme@...nel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@...ux.intel.com>,
        Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...nel.org>,
        Namhyung Kim <namhyung@...nel.org>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@...com>,
        Song Liu <songliubraving@...com>, Yonghong Song <yhs@...com>,
        John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
        KP Singh <kpsingh@...nel.org>, Tom Rix <trix@...hat.com>,
        linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        bpf@...r.kernel.org, llvm@...ts.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/8] perf evsel: Do not request ptrauth sample field if
 not supported

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, James Clark wrote:
> On 06/07/2022 17:01, Vince Weaver wrote:
> > So in this case you are leaking ARM64-specific info into the generic 
> > perf_event_open() call?  Is there any way the kernel could implement this 
> > without userspace having to deal with the issue?
> 
> The alternative to this change is just to call it "PERF_SAMPLE_POINTER_AUTH_MASK"
> and then it's not Arm specific, it's just that only Arm implements it for now.
> This is definitely an option.
> 
> But if no platform ever implements something similar then that bit is wasted.
> The intention of adding "PERF_SAMPLE_ARCH_1" was to prevent wasting that bit.
> But as you say, maybe making it arch specific isn't the right way either.

I don't know what the current kernel policy is on this kind of thing, but 
in the past perf_event_open was meant to be a generic as possible.
Having architecture-specific magic bits is best avoided.
However I'm not the maintainer for this so really my opinion doesn't 
really matter.

I'm just speaking up as a userspace coder who is trying to write 
cross-platform tools, and having to maintain obscure arch-specific code 
paths in every single utility ends up being a huge pain.  And isn't the 
whole point of an operating system to abstract this away?

> > can tell there haven't been any documentation patches included for the 
> > Makefile.
> 
> We plan to update the docs for the syscall, but it's in another repo, and
> we'll wait for this change to be finalised first. I'm not sure what you
> mean about the Makefile?

sorry, that was a mis-type.  I meant "manpage" not Makefile.

Vince Weaver
vincent.weaver@...ne.edu