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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 15:09:08 +0100
From: Maciek Machnikowski <maciek@...hnikowski.net>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
"'Kubalewski, Arkadiusz'" <arkadiusz.kubalewski@...el.com>,
'Vadim Fedorenko' <vfedorenko@...ek.ru>,
'Jonathan Lemon' <jonathan.lemon@...il.com>,
'Paolo Abeni' <pabeni@...hat.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-clk@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] Create common DPLL/clock configuration API
On 12/9/2022 12:07 PM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 07:08:04PM CET, maciek@...hnikowski.net wrote:
>> On 12/8/2022 12:21 AM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>> My main complaint about the current pins implementation is that they put
>> everything in a single bag. In a netdev world - it would be like we put
>> TX queues and RX queues together, named them "Queues", expose a list to
>> the userspace and let the user figure out which ones which by reading a
>> "TX" flag.
>>
>> All DPLLs I know have a Sources block, DPLLs and Output blocks. See:
>>
>> https://www.renesas.com/us/en/products/clocks-timing/jitter-attenuators-frequency-translation/8a34044-multichannel-dpll-dco-four-eight-channels#overview
>>
>> https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/aemDocuments/documents/TIM/ProductDocuments/ProductBrief/ZL3063x-System-Synchronizers-with-up-to-5-Channels-10-Inputs-20-Outputs-Product-Brief-DS20006634.pdf
>>
>> https://www.sitime.com/support/resource-library/product-briefs/cascade-sit9514x-clock-system-chip-family
>>
>> https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lmk5b33414.pdf?ts=1670516132647&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Fclocks-timing%252Fjitter-cleaners-synchronizers%252Fproducts.html
>>
>> If we model everything as "pins" we won't be able to correctly extend
>> the API to add new features.
>>
>> Sources can configure the expected frequency, input signal monitoring
>> (on multiple layers), expected signal levels, input termination and so
>> on. Outputs will need the enable flag, signal format, frequency, phase
>> offset etc. Multiple DPLLs can reuse a single source inside the same
>> package simultaneously.
>
>
> Looking at the documentation of the chips, they all have mupltiple DPLLs
> on a die. Arkadiusz, in your proposed implementation, do you model each
> DPLL separatelly? If yes, then I understand the urgency of need of a
> shared pin. So all DPLLs sharing the pin are part of the same chip?
>
> Question: can we have an entity, that would be 1:1 mapped to the actual
> device/chip here? Let's call is "a synchronizer". It would contain
> multiple DPLLs, user-facing-sources(input_connector),
> user-facing-outputs(output_connector), i/o pins.
>
> An example:
> SYNCHRONIZER
>
> ┌───────────────────────────────────────┐
> │ │
> │ │
> SyncE in connector │ ┌─────────┐ │ SyncE out connector
> ┌───┐ │in pin 1 │DPLL_1 │ out pin 1│ ┌───┐
> │ ├─────────┼──────────────┤ ├──────────────┼────┤ │
> │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │
> └───┘ │ │ │ │ └───┘
> │ │ │ │
> │ ┌──┤ │ │
> GNSS in connector │ │ └─────────┘ │
> ┌───┐ │in pin 2 │ out pin 2│ EXT SMA connector
> │ ├─────────┼───────────┘ │ ┌───┐
> │ │ │ ┌───────────┼────┤ │
> └───┘ │ │ │ │ │
> │ │ │ └───┘
> │ │ │
> EXT SMA connector │ │ │
> ┌───┐ mux │in pin 3 ┌─────────┐ │ │
> │ ├────┬────┼───────────┐ │ │ │ │
> │ │ │ │ │ │DPLL_2 │ │ │
> └───┘ │ │ │ │ │ │ │
> │ │ └──┤ ├──┘ │
> │ │ │ │ │
> EXT SMA connector │ │ │ │ │
> ┌───┐ │ │ │ │ │
> │ ├────┘ │ └─────────┘ │
> │ │ │ │
> └───┘ └───────────────────────────────────────┘
>
> Do I get that remotelly correct?
It looks goot, hence two corrections are needed:
- all inputs can go to all DPLLs, and a single source can drive more
than one DPLL
- The external mux for SMA connector should not be a part of the
Synchronizer subsystem - I believe there's already a separate MUX
subsystem in the kernel and all external connections should be handled
by a devtree or a similar concept.
The only "muxing" thing that could potentially be modeled is a
synchronizer output to synchronizer input relation. Some synchronizers
does that internally and can use the output of one DPLL as a source for
another.
Also, in theory, the DPLL->output relation may change, however I assume
we can skip support for that at the beginning.
So something like this would be roughly correct:
┌───────────────────────────┐
│ │
┌──┐ │ src0 ┌─────────┐ out0 │ ┌──┐
│ ├───┼────────┤ DPLL1 ├────────┼────┤ │
└──┘ │ │ │ │ └──┘
│ │ │ │
│ │ │ out1 │ ┌──┐
┌──┐ │ src1 │ ├───┬────┼────┤ │
│ ├───┼──┬─────┤ │ │ │ └──┘
└──┘ │ │ └─────────┘ │ │
│ │ ┌───────────────┘ │
│ │ │ src_dpll1 │
│ │ │ ┌─────────┐ out2 │ ┌──┐
│ │ └─┤ DPLL2 ├────────┼────┤ │
│ │ │ │ │ └──┘
│ └─────┤ │ │
┌──┐ │ src2 │ │ │
│ ├───┼────────┤ │ │
└──┘ │ │ │ │
│ └─────────┘ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
└───────────────────────────┘
> synch
> synchronizer_register(synch)
> dpll_1
> synchronizer_dpll_register(synch, dpll_1)
> dpll_2
> synchronizer_dpll_register(synch, dpll_2)
> source_pin_1
> synchronizer_pin_register(synch, source_pin_1)
> output_pin_1
> synchronizer_pin_register(synch, output_pin_1)
> output_pin_2
> synchronizer_pin_register(synch, output_pin_2)
>
> synch_board
> synchronizer_board_register(synch_board)
> synch
> synchronizer_board_sync_register(synch_board, synch)
> source_connector_1
> synchronizer_board_connector_register(synch_board, source_connector_1, source_pin_1)
> output_connector_1
> synchronizer_board_connector_register(synch_board, output_connector_1, output_pin_1)
> output_connector_2
> synchronizer_board_connector_register(synch_board, output_connector_2, output_pin_2)
I'd rather not use pins at all - just stick to sources and outputs. Both
can use some labels to be identifiable.
> Thinking about it a bit more, this should be probably good to describe
> by device tree. The synchronizer itself dplls and pins it contains
> have constanc geometry, according to the synchronizer device type.
>
> The Connector-pin linkages may vary according to the board.
>
> So to divide it, there should be one synchronizer driver. Then probably
> some other one to connect/select/mux the connectors to the synchronizer.
Agreed - we should not model external board connections inside the
synchronizer driver subsystem.
-Maciek
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