netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next] virtio_net: Add TX stop and wake counters

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <20240207151748-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 15:19:08 -0500
From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To: Daniel Jurgens <danielj@...dia.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
	Jason Xing <kerneljasonxing@...il.com>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"xuanzhuo@...ux.alibaba.com" <xuanzhuo@...ux.alibaba.com>,
	"virtualization@...ts.linux.dev" <virtualization@...ts.linux.dev>,
	"davem@...emloft.net" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	"edumazet@...gle.com" <edumazet@...gle.com>,
	"abeni@...hat.com" <abeni@...hat.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@...dia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] virtio_net: Add TX stop and wake counters

On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 07:38:16PM +0000, Daniel Jurgens wrote:
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2024 6:40 AM
> > To: Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
> > Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>; Jason Xing
> > <kerneljasonxing@...il.com>; Daniel Jurgens <danielj@...dia.com>;
> > netdev@...r.kernel.org; xuanzhuo@...ux.alibaba.com;
> > virtualization@...ts.linux.dev; davem@...emloft.net;
> > edumazet@...gle.com; abeni@...hat.com; Parav Pandit
> > <parav@...dia.com>
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] virtio_net: Add TX stop and wake counters
> > 
> > On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 09:20:18AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 12:01 AM Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:52:59 +0800 Jason Xing wrote:
> > > > > > Can you say more? I'm curious what's your use case.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not working at Nvidia, so my point of view may differ from theirs.
> > > > > From what I can tell is that those two counters help me narrow
> > > > > down the range if I have to diagnose/debug some issues.
> > > >
> > > > right, i'm asking to collect useful debugging tricks, nothing
> > > > against the patch itself :)
> > > >
> > > > > 1) I sometimes notice that if some irq is held too long (say, one
> > > > > simple case: output of printk printed to the console), those two
> > > > > counters can reflect the issue.
> > > > > 2) Similarly in virtio net, recently I traced such counters the
> > > > > current kernel does not have and it turned out that one of the
> > > > > output queues in the backend behaves badly.
> > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop/wake queue counters may not show directly the root cause of
> > > > > the issue, but help us 'guess' to some extent.
> > > >
> > > > I'm surprised you say you can detect stall-related issues with this.
> > > > I guess virtio doesn't have BQL support, which makes it special.
> > >
> > > Yes, virtio-net has a legacy orphan mode, this is something that needs
> > > to be dropped in the future. This would make BQL much more easier to
> > > be implemented.
> > 
> > 
> > It's not that we can't implement BQL, it's that it does not seem to be
> > benefitial - has been discussed many times.
> > 
> > > > Normal HW drivers with BQL almost never stop the queue by themselves.
> > > > I mean - if they do, and BQL is active, then the system is probably
> > > > misconfigured (queue is too short). This is what we use at Meta to
> > > > detect stalls in drivers with BQL:
> > > >
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240131102150.728960-3-leitao@debian.or
> > > > g/
> > > >
> > > > Daniel, I think this may be a good enough excuse to add per-queue
> > > > stats to the netdev genl family, if you're up for that. LMK if you
> > > > want more info, otherwise I guess ethtool -S is fine for now.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> 
> Michael,
> 	Are you OK with this patch? Unless I missed it I didn't see a response from you in our conversation the day I sent it.
> 

I thought what is proposed is adding some support for these stats to core?
Did I misunderstood?

-- 
MST