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Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 20:35:37 +0100
From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@...il.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v8 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for
 custom page providers

On 5/7/24 18:56, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 06:25:52PM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>> On 5/7/24 17:48, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 09:42:05AM -0700, Mina Almasry wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. Align with devmem TCP to use udmabuf for your io_uring memory. I
>>>> think in the past you said it's a uapi you don't link but in the face
>>>> of this pushback you may want to reconsider.
>>>
>>> dmabuf does not force a uapi, you can acquire your pages however you
>>> want and wrap them up in a dmabuf. No uapi at all.
>>>
>>> The point is that dmabuf already provides ops that do basically what
>>> is needed here. We don't need ops calling ops just because dmabuf's
>>> ops are not understsood or not perfect. Fixup dmabuf.
>>
>> Those ops, for example, are used to efficiently return used buffers
>> back to the kernel, which is uapi, I don't see how dmabuf can be
>> fixed up to cover it.
> 
> Sure, but that doesn't mean you can't use dma buf for the other parts
> of the flow. The per-page lifetime is a different topic than the
> refcounting and access of the entire bulk of memory.

Ok, so if we're leaving uapi (and ops) and keep per page/sub-buffer as
is, the rest is resolving uptr -> pages, and passing it to page pool in
a convenient to page pool format (net_iov). I don't see how dmabuf would
help here. Adding dmabuf in the middle (internally wrapping pages) would
add more setup code with the same final result, that is a format that
page pool can work with. And for io_uring it's normal user memory. We'll
have to use dmabuf when we'd want to extend to peer-to-peer and all that
fun, but that's a small fraction of it, and we'll hopefully reuse some
setup helpers from devmem tcp.

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

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