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Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 20:32:47 -0300
From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>
To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v8 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for
 custom page providers

On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 08:35:37PM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> On 5/7/24 18:56, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 06:25:52PM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> > > On 5/7/24 17:48, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 09:42:05AM -0700, Mina Almasry wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 1. Align with devmem TCP to use udmabuf for your io_uring memory. I
> > > > > think in the past you said it's a uapi you don't link but in the face
> > > > > of this pushback you may want to reconsider.
> > > > 
> > > > dmabuf does not force a uapi, you can acquire your pages however you
> > > > want and wrap them up in a dmabuf. No uapi at all.
> > > > 
> > > > The point is that dmabuf already provides ops that do basically what
> > > > is needed here. We don't need ops calling ops just because dmabuf's
> > > > ops are not understsood or not perfect. Fixup dmabuf.
> > > 
> > > Those ops, for example, are used to efficiently return used buffers
> > > back to the kernel, which is uapi, I don't see how dmabuf can be
> > > fixed up to cover it.
> > 
> > Sure, but that doesn't mean you can't use dma buf for the other parts
> > of the flow. The per-page lifetime is a different topic than the
> > refcounting and access of the entire bulk of memory.
> 
> Ok, so if we're leaving uapi (and ops) and keep per page/sub-buffer as
> is, the rest is resolving uptr -> pages, and passing it to page pool in
> a convenient to page pool format (net_iov).

I'm not going to pretend to know about page pool details, but dmabuf
is the way to get the bulk of pages into a pool within the net stack's
allocator and keep that bulk properly refcounted while.

An object like dmabuf is needed for the general case because there are
not going to be per-page references or otherwise available.

What you seem to want is to alter how the actual allocation flow works
from that bulk of memory and delay the free. It seems like a different
topic to me, and honestly hacking into the allocator free function
seems a bit weird..

Jason

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