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From: gbunch at gmx.net (Gerald Cody Bunch)
Subject: [fd] RE: [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by W32Blaster] (fwd)

After this I will stop pissing into the wind.  While I agree with you to
a certain extent that certs mean nothing, 
I have used my MCSE as a good foot in the door, however I did not cease
my learning there.  I was not ragging 
because it is an M$ cert, but because there is a difference between test
passers, and engineers.  It exists with
any company that offers an acronym to throw after your name.

I am done now, and need to wipe my face off.

 Thanks,

 Gerald Cody Bunch
 'CCNA, MCSE, MCSA, MCP, CNA, NET+, A+, AND YOUR MOTHERS BEST FRIEND'
 gbunch@....net

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Ludwig
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:33 PM
To: 'Disclosure Full'
Subject: RE: [fd] RE: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by
W32Blaster] (fwd)

<rant>
I nominate this thread most useless thread EVAR!

With that being said, can you guys please move on, and repeat after me.
CERTS MEAN NOTHING!

I know  several people who have certs that run *nix machines who are
complete idiots for the simple fact that they have not expanded their
horizons past a command prompt.  I also know people who wouldn't be able
to properly use dir(or ls) and cd from a command prompt if the fate of
the world depended on it.  So my point is this, shut up already mcse,
cissp, ccie, ccna, ccnp, and what ever else you have behind your name
means absolutely nothing in the real world. Maybe the PHB's in the cube
farms and offices of Corp America care but lets face it in the trenches
letters mean dick.  SO stop ragging on MCSE's simply because it is a
Microsoft cert, that is asinine and completely immature.  I mean think
of all the business M$ has created,  hell if it wasn't for them the
INFOSEC field would be 100 or so Sun consultants running around trying
to sell the latest and greatest (please note the sarcasm in that
comment, and yes i know it would be a totally different market then
that).  SO be thankful that good ole Billie Boy keeps us all so
gainfully employed and entertained. 

Please take this post for what it is, A RANT!

Andre Ludwig, M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I  <---- 4m 1 l33t n0w?

</rant>

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Vasquez [mailto:mike@...kogre.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:56 AM
To: 'Disclosure Full'
Subject: Re: [fd] RE: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by
W32Blaster] (fwd)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald Cody Bunch" <gbunch@....net>

> Please define the term real MCSE, being as the first word in the 
> acronym stands for 'Microsoft' it would stand to reason that a real 
> MCSE is nothing more than trained 'Microsoft' marketing monkey.

Gee wiz -- sign me up for one of your logic classes, please.  That's
brilliant rock solid reasoning.

Not reality based, but on this list, that doesn't matter. :-)

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