Message-ID: <20031006194810.05ff9c21.pros-n-cons@bak.rr.com>
From: pros-n-cons at bak.rr.com (Vincent)
Subject: Bush Bashing (use to be Has Verisign  time
 arrived ?)

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:58:55 -0300
El Guille <guille7@...tevideo.com.uy> wrote:

> 
> >
> >Well just for the sake of being honest, the US gets 55% of its oil 
> >domesticaly.[1]
> >Followed by 20% Saudi and the rest Venezuela, yadda, yadda.
> >It's the EU that buys a huge chunk from Iraq. (just look how much they're 
> >owed now)
> >We get about 3-5% from Iraq and have for 10 years. If thier oil is our 
> >lifeblood
> >mind explaining to me why we had the best economy in the history of our 
> >country
> >while not paying a dime to Iraq for one bucket of oil? BTW that 3-5% we 
> >got from
> >Iraq was because of the oil for food program, we didn't 'buy' any. Cause 
> >there were
> >sanctions only a few of us decided to follow.
> >
> >[1].. It's been a while since I researched this. I can't remember if 
> >'domestically'
> >means Mexico and Canada included.(?)
> 
> Deceived by your ignorance I may say.
> Price of oil before war was 15 bucks de barrel
> With the gulf war the price raise up to 42 bucks x barrel, generating an 
> extra 60 thousand millon dollars.

Wrong. 
The only time it ever went over $40 was in 1980-83 cause of the 
Iran/Iraq war but thank you for playing.
http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm (or just type in 'crude oil prices history' in
google and follow the first link.
in '90 it was $24 then the war made it _DROP_ to $21 in 1991! 

The first statement you made can't be ignorance it is so far off I'm leaning
towards you making a completely blatant lie.
So I will not respond to the rest because your credibility has now come 
into question, not to mention I made no statements about half of your rambling. 
Next time you call someone ignorant sevral times over, make sure
they comment on what you're talking about before assuming he's from this party
so this is his opnion okay?
Good Bye.

> In the arab countries the fifty-fifty law says 50% goes to the country and 
> 50% goes to the company in control.
> 
> So you got 30.000.000 dollars for the oil companies.
> 
> And if your ignorance does not play against you again, you should know that 
> in middle east, the extraction and oil commerce ruled by the "7 sisters" 
> (shell,tamoil,ello.) all of those americans, 5 of each owned by the 
> american goverment.
> 
> So of those 30, 21 for the US gov. 9 for private american companies.
> 
> And guess what, they wanted to liberate kuwait!?!?! and the war in 
> afganistan was anti-terrorism, not to instaurate a mockery goverment that 
> allows the construction of 2500km oleoduct(instead of building a 5500km one 
> taxed to death by the crossed countries)
> 
> And you also didn't know bush administration was before war at the edge of 
> breaking with it's biggest oil provider, that is saudi arabia? And they 
> weren't of course looking for an alternative, they were instaurating 
> democracy in Irak??
> Now of course with the new regime, instaurated by the US and under it's 
> control, the iraki people economical desires will prevail? sure...
> 
> Why Irak?
> - The poberty caused by the block causes 300.000 childs to starve to death 
> every year.(how many died in 11/9?)
> - Easy justification, look at you believing in a destroyed country having WMD
> - No protection for Irak from any of the powerfull countries.
> 
> Regards,
> and you should be reading a little more before opening your mouth.
> 
> PS and after answering with "we are protecting the world" please read 
> something about the dictarorial regimes imposed by the US in Latin America 
> in the last 30 years, just to name a few, El Salvador, Chile, Nicaragua, 
> Republica Dominicana, Paraguay, and the list goes on. Those regimes 
> instaurated by YOUR country ended with thousands dead and tortured, the 
> same thing you fight against now? that is hypocrite.
> PS2 ask yourself again why US gets attacked, I don't see planes crashing on 
> switzerland buildings, I don't see mexico embassy beign bombed in Africa, I 
> don't see portuguese citizens being killed. What if, only if , by any 
> chance, those "crazy muslims terrorists" are just paying back?. Just say 
> thanks george.
> 
> AND FOR THE SAKE OF BEIGN HONEST:
> 
> 
> - Dwight Eisenhower said in 1953 that "preventive war" was and Adolf Hitler 
> invention, stated: I wouldn't take seriously anyone proposing something 
> like that.
> - USA is the country that builds and sells more weapons in the world. Is 
> also, the only nation that has thrown atomic bombs against civil 
> population. And it's always, by tradition, in war with someone.
> - Irak does not obey UN regulations, does USA obeys? Was the war in Irak a 
> dream?
> - Irak broke 17 UN regulations, Israel 64, will US bomb it's more faithfull 
> country?
> - Who sell Sadam Hussein the cepas to build it's gas to kill the kurdos? 
> Why Bush is not showing the bills?
> - In name of God I've seen many post here, why did God give different 
> orders to Bush and to the Pope on Rome?
> - There were no iraki people on the planes on 9/11, almost all of them were 
> from saudi arabia, also from saudi arabia is Osama Bin Laden. Ahhh of 
> course, saudi arabia the best US client, we better get our hands on Irak.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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