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From: michealespinola at gmail.com (Micheal Espinola Jr) Subject: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. I beg to differ. This is not public domain. This is something we all pay for and have a vested interest in. The days of the 'wild west' are over. There is a new sheriff in town. Because of stupid script kiddies and black hat assholes, things are going to change whether you like it or not - whether you agree with it or not. On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:11:06 +0100, Andrew Smith <stfunub@...il.com> wrote: > This is the internet. > This isn't your home, your car, your wallet. > This is the internet. > Offline analogies do not work. They also make my brain hurt, please do > not use them. > Whilst "breaking a weak lock" is criminal on the internet and in real > life, it's also a hell of a lot easier to do on the internet, and a > hell of a lot harder to get caught. > The fact that something is illegal discourages no-one, the fact that > they may get caught and punushed discourages most. The amount of laws > it is possible to break by clicking a few links is insane, and only > ever enforced if a large corporation is involved. I don't know what > you expect from this rant, but i am quite concerned that someone with > a CitiGroup (a bank?!) email address is talking about credit cards > being stolen and "weak locks". > > > > > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:26:13 -0400, KF_lists <kf_lists@...netops.com> wrote: > > Who pissed in your Wheaties? > > -KF > > > > > > > > > > Clairmont, Jan M wrote: > > > I just don't understand people who think by using some cheap trick they > > > get into my files or website and hack them, that they have no personal responsibility. > > > It's insane to think and criminal that anything you can get into is fair game. > > > > > > Just because I have a cheap lock you can break does not make invading my home or personal property yours. Eh gods man, how does this type of idiotic logic prevail, > > > just becasue I lost my wallet does not constitute your right to use my credit > > > card, atm card and personal information for your enrichment. Because you can get into > > > some sieve unsecured systems gives you the right to exploit or rape a persons bank account, steal their identity and generally destroy someone's life. > > > > > > I have found a number of wallets and purses and returned them intact to the rightful > > > owners, as I have done with computer systems that my friends, neightbors and > > > clients have used with vulnerablilties or virii. Sometimes they didn't even know I helped or fixed something. You know why because I respect the privacy and property of others. And if you don't, you deserve the indignation and the handcuffs they put on you > > > when they drag you down to chinatown, baby. > > > > > > Compute Fair, Compute Fun, Compute secure > > > Jan Clairmont Paladin of Security, Take no Prisoners! > > > Unix Security Support/Consultant > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html >
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