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Message-ID: <43416C5B.8080401@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mon Oct  3 18:37:39 2005
From: chromazine at sbcglobal.net (Steve Kudlak)
Subject: Careless Law Enforcement
	Computer	ForensicsLacking InfoSec Expertise Causes Suicides

I have been following this in the background because a number of my 
friends who got zapped in the high tech spindown out here in California 
have ended up in computer forensics and datamining because that's what 
gets money these days. Some are happy and some are a bit concerned. I am 
currently disabled and on good days I get the feeling I want to jump 
back in and on bad days I sleep to 3pm.

It would be interesting to look at these questions from an international 
perspective. I am sure there is some manoevering around by say the 
"Anti-Sex Tourism " Task Forces to see if they can get things done in 
the most sympathetic areas. Right now much of the prosecutions happen in 
the US because the US Federal Government has a lot of power.  Federal 
Prosecution often proceeds by sort of getting a bunch of warrants, going 
seizing someone's property then looking into everything they could have 
possibly done wrong and threaten the person involved and thenoffereing 
them a deal where they become a convicted felon for something. This is 
what happened in the case of US Artist Steve Kurtz who was going to be 
charged with bioterrorism and it is now down to questionable mail fraud.

If things proceed like this it is good to know this is what might be 
contributiing too with the fruits of one's labours. So it would be good 
to look into this stuff and find how it actually works, although yes it 
would have to be from an international perspective. Speaking of France I 
mean the US has always been trying to get Roman Polanski back on US soil.;)

Have Fun,
Sends Steve

Paul Schmehl wrote:

> --On Monday, October 03, 2005 09:38:16 -0400 Lane Weast 
> <lweast@...clerk.org> wrote:
>
>> In theory, what you say is incorrect.
>>
>> They may take you in but, in court they have to prove it was yours.
>> It is not your responsibility to prove your innocence.
>> It is their responsibility to prove your guilt.
>>
> Whenever I read stuff like this on an international list, I always 
> wonder if the people posting understand that the rest of the world 
> doesn't necessarily work the way your little corner of the world works.
>
> For example, French law, which is based upon Napoleonic law, places 
> the burden of proof on the defendant.  You are guilty unless you can 
> prove your innocent.
>
> So, your comments almost certainly do not apply to many people reading 
> here.  Which causes one to wonder - what value do they have to the 
> audience reading?
>
> Paul Schmehl (pauls@...allas.edu)
> Adjunct Information Security Officer
> University of Texas at Dallas
> AVIEN Founding Member
> http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
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