full-disclosure - complaints about the governemnt spying!

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Message-ID: <004201c60d4c$89a89440$0d09c80a@SRVR9013>
Date: Fri Dec 30 14:22:37 2005
From: rsradvan at unixworks.net (Bob Radvanovsky)
Subject: complaints about the governemnt spying!

See comments below.  -rad

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Horsfall" <dave@...sfall.org>
To: "Full Disclosure List" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] complaints about the governemnt spying!


> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Stan Bubrouski wrote:
>
> > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Jefferson, 1759).
> >
> > That's actually a Benjamin Franklin quote, which is worded about 1000
> > different ways depending on the source.
>
> The above is close; the main points are "essential liberty" and "a little
> temporary safety".

In your example case of aphorisms, you are correct.  One is from over 200
years ago, the other less than 40.

> In the meantime, perhaps some, umm, US patriot could tell me who authored
> these particular aphorisms:
>
> "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
> patriots and tyrants."

This was quoted from General Hummel (actor Ed Harris) from the movie, "The
Rock", and was a paraphrased quote from Thomas Jefferson
(http://www.monticello.org/reports/quotes/liberty.html)

> "The Tree of Islam has to be watered with the blood of martyrs."

This was quoted from the Ayatollah Khomeini in the late 70's/early 80's,
probably just before the uprising within Iran.

> I'm having trouble seeing the difference.
>
> -- Dave, who is not pro-US, so therefore has to be anti-US, according to
Shrub
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