Message-ID: <6158bb410811061744qe0d743cs5baeea649471bf40@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:44:07 -0500
From: Ureleet <ureleet@...il.com>
To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Two bulletins from Microsoft on Patch Tuesday

first off, u arent going to get any1 2 change anything. so, lets get
that out of the way right there.

second of all, in order for u 2 prove ur point, id like 4 u to go to
some research of how many exploits have come out during the 5 day
period between vague-ass disclosure and patch publish.  then compare
and contrast that against how many exploits have come out in the 24
hours following the patch publish after people have had a chance to do
bindiffs (u know what that means right white-hat?) against the
patches.  then, take all that data, draw some charts and graphs, write
a whitepaper, and present it somewhere.

u know what thats called?  research.  real ppl do it.

u dont.  and that is why, u suck.  ta ta.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
> so you don't think its logical that these 5 day heads up could be
> helping the bad guys out? right. i think the world's biggest hackers
> could do a lot of research in 5 days. but then again n3td3v isn't
> logical so i must be wrong. damn those drugs eh? i just asked what the
> realistic possibility was for a 5 day turn around from the day of the
> heads up until a patch is released. i just thought it was bad that we
> were giving the bad guys a 5 day head start, but never mind n3td3v
> isn't logical so i must be wrong. scraping the 5 day head start isn't
> a good idea because n3td3v isn't logical? right, i threw away 10 years
> of my life to not be logical...
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:20 AM, waveroad waveroad <waveroad@...il.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can be ""monitoring"" the scene since 20 years if you want to, it's not
>> for that your point will be valuable.
>> And actually it is not, also this is about logic.
>>
>> See you're wrong again.
>>
>> Get the fuck out of here.
>>
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>> 2008/11/6, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>:
>>>
>>> i've been monitoring the scene since 1999 so what do you mean no
>>> experience? i make that about 10 years experience if my math is
>>> correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Biz Marqee <biz.marqee@...il.com> wrote:
>>> > Do you even understand why people dont like you? It is because you have
>>> > all
>>> > these crackpot ideas but no experience to back it up. All your ideas
>>> > only
>>> > make sense from a theoretical standpoint, but in practicality most will
>>> > fail.
>>> >
>>>
>>> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> blackhats like you will always hate on me, so i just ignore the
>>> >> negative responses i get.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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