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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:56:53 -0500
From: Paul Ammann <pta1@...tmail.us>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Where are you guys standing re: the (full)
 disclosure

Whether you like Microsoft (or Apple) or not isn't the point, and it's a
whole other topic.

In the past, full disclosure benefited everybody and it was a way to
gain notoriety among the community.

It's taken years to get people to accept "responsible disclosure" (ie,
giving software companies time to fix the vulnerability before full
disclosure).

We know that the NSA, FBI, and CIA have asked software companies, like
Microsoft and Cisco, not to patch vulnerabilities. These agencies used
these vulnerabilities to their advantage to spy on others. OK, that's
what they do.

As for ethics, define it.

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net>
> wrote:
> > Rather harsh don't you think? I'm all for OSS but I have expenses and
> > need to make money. Yes M$ makes money, but I think their ethical just
> > as much as any other company .. is IBM ethical? Is HP ethical? Is Dell
> > (the company) ethical? They all are to some degree.
> Try Apple. They withhold security updates until the press release for
> their latest iOS version. See, for example, the hundred of fixes in
> https://lists.apple.com/archives/security-announce/2012/Sep/msg00003.html.
> 
> At least Microsoft patches on a regular basis.
> 
> Jeff
> 
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