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Message-ID: <20070308184646.GC21099@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>
Date:	Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:46:47 -0600
From:	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@...ibm.com>
To:	Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>
Cc:	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@...ibm.com>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, safford@...son.ibm.com,
	serue@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, kjhall@...ux.vnet.ibm.com,
	zohar@...ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][Patch 1/6] integrity: new hooks

Quoting Casey Schaufler (casey@...aufler-ca.com):
> 
> --- "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@...ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > It's unfortunate, agreed, but
> > 
> > use of LSM as an integrity framework was also a
> > no-go.
> 
> You're going to have to justify this assertion.

You misunderstand.  I wasn't saying it wouldn't work :)  I was saying
that it's been said repeatedly that evm should be implemented as an
integrity, not security, module.

I think it should be done as both.  The part which measures the
integrity of files should be an integrity subsystem.  The part which
uses those results to either allow/refuse actions or take some other
action (i.e. shut down the system) should be an lsm.

> I know of at least one work-in-progress for which
> LSM works just fine. Not to mention the Integrity
> claims of SELinux.

-serge
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