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Message-Id: <200706150034.39585.dhazelton@enter.net>
Date:	Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:34:39 -0400
From:	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...er.net>
To:	Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@...hat.com>
Cc:	"Chris Friesen" <cfriesen@...tel.com>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@...ux-sh.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@...lub.uwaterloo.ca>,
	Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
	debian developer <debiandev@...il.com>,
	"david@...g.hm" <david@...g.hm>,
	Tarkan Erimer <tarkan@...one.net.tr>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, mingo@...e.hu
Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:22:48 Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...er.net> wrote:
> > Faulty logic. The hardware doesn't *restrict* you from *MODIFYING*
> > any fscking thing.
>
> Ok, lemme try again:
>
> case 2'': tivo provides source, end user tries to improve it, realizes
> the hardware won't let him use the result of his efforts, and gives up

And there is nothing in the license that says that this has to be done. 
Claiming that it is a requirement because of the "spirit" of the license or 
that such was the "intent" of the license does not make it any less legal 
than it is. And, as I've taken the time to explain to you, lacking any clear 
statement, written at the exact same time as the license, a statement of 
intent or spirit cannot have any real legal weight when the text of a license 
is finally decided upon. The reason, in case you missed the mail in which I 
gave it, is that the author *cannot*, no matter the belief anyone may have in 
their honesty or the oaths they may swear, be trusted to have *not* changed 
his/her mind as to the intent and/or spirit of the license at any time after 
the license goes into use.

DRH

> > On Thursday 14 June 2007 18:45:07 Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> >> Where's the payback, or the payforward?
> >>
> >> And then, tit-for-tat is about equivalent retaliation, an eye for an
> >> eye.  Where's the retaliation here?
> >>
> >> If GPLv2 were tit-for-tat, if someone invents artifices to prevent the
> >> user from making the changes the user wants on the software, wouldn't
> >> it be "equivalent retaliation" to prevent the perpetrator from making
> >> the changes it wants on the software?



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